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That spec doesn't really mean much, you can get that spec from any mic, and they very definitely differ in sound.

The biggest and most audible difference between the mics is handling noise. Also, the SM58 is going to be more durable than the PG58, and my guess is that its off-axis response will be more consistent.

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Hmm? But the poster doesn't seem to have a problem with what he is using or a tremendous desire to replace what he has at this moment with the SM58.

If he had no doubts or questions he wouldn't post. I am just telling him what the difference is. Personally I believe the fit and finish, and the professional low-handling-noise sound, improves my show. His mileage may differ, but I am giving him the facts.

It's not like I am not putting my money where my mouth is -- I gave away my PG58 after getting SM58s.

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Besides just because the frequency response is close, doesn't mean their pickup patterns are the same or do not change in the way they can pull out certain frequencies in the midrange better where the vocal frequencies primarily reside. The SM58 slopes up from 50hz and levels off and has a much flatter response from 100hz-10k, where the PG58 doesn't really slopes up from 60hz and doesn't start flattening out until around 500-1000hz-10k. So both are capable of reproducing 60-15K, the difference lies within.

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Actually, if you have access to and are capable of using a soldering iron, my first suggestion would be a far more sensible approach. If not comfortable with opening up your mic, then Leopard Lizard's suggestion of using superglue may well be the best solution for you... after all, that is what IBM did with their 120V/240V switches on their PC's to prevent their customers from blowing the power supplies with incorrect voltage selection.

I appreciate the information Lonnie. I have sung at other people's shows on SM-58s and they sounded great, but I really couldn't tell the difference in my own vocals. Maybe if I recorded two performances on my own system with an SM-58 and a PG-58 the differences would be more noticeable...

Perhaps that's true? And perhaps not? And even if it is true, does that mean with the purchase of the SM58's you will then have the best mic in the world, or even the best mic for the money?

And while Mcky57 has strong opinions about mics, and "put his money where his mouth is regarding them", he doesn't realize that most people who sing karaoke haven't made a study of the matter as has he and are, therefore, not as particular as he is!

And will you be giving away your P58's. as Mcky57 did, after you replace them? If so, I'll send you the money plus a little extra to cover the cost of shipping them to me, even though they have switches!

Oh, and BTW, I not too long ago had purchased the SM58's on sale which I was quite excited about based upon opinions offered her. Within two weeks I found myself quite disappointed with them. Perhaps my expectation of them were unrealistically high? Wonder why?

Anyway, I exchanged them for Samson Mics (at the same price not on sale) and have never looked back!

You did what you thought best. I wonder how that will work out for you in the long run, but hey -- it's your stuff.

I do know that anyone who comes and sees an SM-58 knows 1) it is a quality mic and 2) if they are experienced, they get confidence how it will handle their voice. When you put up brand X, it leaves a little uncertainty which may affect their performance.

The differences may be small, but they are perceptible to me. And the patina of quality on a show, well, shows. You may think people don't care, but I bet you would be surprised how many pick up cues from the quality of the sound and equipment.

The SM58 isn't the best mic, IMHO. It is one of the best mics for karaoke. There is a difference. Personally I prefer a Sennheiser 935 or and EV767 to sing through. But neither of those mics are as forgiving as an SM58, and forgiving is what karaoke wants.

Again, if you don't care -- don't care. I care.

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I really think the person running the rig makes a much bigger difference than the equipment. I've heard people sound pretty decent on cheaper systems and pretty bad on nicer systems where the KJ either didn't care how his singers sounded or just didn't know how to make them sound decent on his rig.

You could probably give an experienced sound guy like Lonnie a cheap Vocopro mixer/amp, some crappy Nady speakers and a basic 8 band eq and he'd find a way to make it work - admittedly hating the whole process, but he'd be able to do it.

If you had them side by side eq'd both the same you should be able to tell a large difference even without recording.

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No one said or claimed it was, the question was posed between a SM & PG58.

I wonder too? But if one is used to a bright tinny sound and likes it, then the SM58 is not for you, it gives a very nice warm sound.

Not sure which mic you are talking about, these aren't even in my possible choices. If it is the Q7, it was very tinny to me, I had 1 to test a couple years back, had to eq the heck out of the mids & highs to acheive a nice flat response of the SM58 plus it had quite a bit of handling noise, so that is where the difference lies.

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I'd hate it, but would make it work, would it sound good, probably not. But I think I define sound differently than others. As I won't do a show without proper power behind the speakers & a sub - even in smaller venues.

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What is so terrible about wrapping a nice piece of colored tape around the on off switch? If you use a different color for each microphone, it also lets you know which mic is connected to which channel on your mixer.

Wow, I agree with Bruce. I don't need the color coordination ideas as I know which channel my 3 mics are hooked up to but,,,,, all 3 of my mics have switches on them. When my show is ready to start, I turn all 3 on, cover up the switch with cheap painters tape (comes off easier than duct and doesn't leave residue) and I'm done with it. I've never had a complaint or even a comment. I personally like to have the switches for when I have my set up at home. Not a big deal to me or a dealbreaker?

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Perhaps what you "experienced" a couple of years back was with a product that has since been redesigned?

And clearly your opinion differs from that of those who help to guide my decisions in the audio department where I buy most of my gear?

And I can say unequivocally, that there is no noticeable difference in the "handling" noise between the two products and also that if it weren't for posts like yours and mcky57 I would probably never have noticed "handling" noise regarding most mics. So, not to say it doesn't exist, but I am not all that concerned about it!

Meanwhile, I had used Samson mics with great satisfaction dozens of times at, at least a half-dozen shows before I ever considered buying one. But of course before buying what I was familiar with and liked I followed the conventional wisdom on this board and got the Shure for about the same price. Meanwhile, few shows around here even use Shures

Lastly, when I purchased my last cordless mic I immediately opted for the Samson because of my great experience with the Q7's. Uhh Uhh, I quickly exchanged that for the Shure PGX.

Oh, and the last mic I purchased was a Samson wireless headset that I use with much satisfaction for MCing at parties.

But most important, I promise my karaoke newcomers that they're going to like the way they sound at my show, and they do! And that's all that counts with me!