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BruceFan4Life
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jerry12x @ April 26th 2010, 2:10 pm wrote: When it comes to the best singer Bruce, I am not too sure.
Would the best entertainer be an acceptable winner?
NOT IF YOU'RE CALLING IT A KARAOKE CONTEST!
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Lonman
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If the best singer is also the best entertainer, then what's the difference.
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jerry12x
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Lonman @ Mon Apr 26, 2010 8:47 pm wrote: If the best singer is also the best entertainer, then what's the difference. No difference if that is the case. Sometimes not the best singer can win a crowd with their passion. Bruce wrote:
NOT IF YOU'RE CALLING IT A KARAOKE CONTEST!
How about...
A Karaoke only talent contest.
Whatever does happen I DO agree with Jam on his input.
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BruceFan4Life
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Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 1:00 pm |
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Lonman @ April 26th 2010, 3:47 pm wrote: If the best singer is also the best entertainer, then what's the difference.
SOMETIMES THE WORST SINGER IS THE BEST ENTERTAINER. It's not supposed to be a stripping contest or a comedy contest. KARAOKE is about SINGING. If you want to win a contest for being the sexiest girl in a bar, wait until Halloween. That's when they have those contests. IF YOU WANT TO WIN A CONTEST FOR BEING HYSTERICALLY FUNNY, GO TO AN OPEN MIC NIGHT AT A COMEDY CLUB.
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leopard lizard
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This is all a matter of perception--technically perfect singing with no individuality or "passion" may not fulfill the "entertainment" part of singing. Singing that moves no one falls flat, no matter how well done. Take a Jimmy Buffett who admits to not being the best singer or guitar player but still connects with enough people to take it to the bank. Singing effectively is more than technique.
Good singers are often taken for granted at our show and don't get the applause they should for doing a great job because they do well week after week. Then you get someone up trying it for the first time, they buther it but with enthusiasm or humor, and the crowd goes wild.
That's the unfair thing about karaoke but that's karaoke. If singing should be the only criteria then they should just use one of those computer games that scores each correct note and each correct word as judge. Otherwise, it will always be subjective and you either accept it or don't enter.
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Lonman
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jamkaraoke @ Mon Apr 26, 2010 1:32 pm wrote: I like the RANDOM drawing thing as a way to make karaoke night a little interesting but --it's not a contest really. Except the more songs you sing the more chances you get to win
You don't advertise it as a contest, you advertise it as a karaoke drawing or karaoke game. _________________ LIKE Lonman on Facebook - Lonman Productions Karaoke & my main site via my profile!
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mckyj57
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Pick a scorecard, publicize it prior to the contest, and follow it. At that time, no one should have any arguments.
Our contest has a scorecard with 5 sections of 5 points each:
* Singing Ability
* Song Interpretation
* Stage Presence
* Audience Response
* Intangibles (enthusiasm/emotion)
If you score a zero in two and a 5 in the others, you tie the person who scored 3 in each category. This is published in advance, including a long explanation of what scores in each category. If you don't like it -- don't enter.
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Lonman
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BruceFan4Life @ Mon Apr 26, 2010 2:00 pm wrote: Lonman @ April 26th 2010, 3:47 pm wrote: If the best singer is also the best entertainer, then what's the difference. SOMETIMES THE WORST SINGER IS THE BEST ENTERTAINER. It's not supposed to be a stripping contest or a comedy contest. KARAOKE is about SINGING. If you want to win a contest for being the sexiest girl in a bar, wait until Halloween. That's when they have those contests. IF YOU WANT TO WIN A CONTEST FOR BEING HYSTERICALLY FUNNY, GO TO AN OPEN MIC NIGHT AT A COMEDY CLUB. But often times stage presence is a big part of the score. And yes sometimes someone who is working a stage more that can sing ok is going to win over someone who just stands there looking at the screen but a good singer. I do consider stage presence a part of the karaoke experience, if you do not, then don't enter. Sometimes I even tell the contestants to be dressed up and not just come in jeans & a wife beater. Although this is generally the lowest part of the score.
When I did a statewide contest for $1000 and be the opening act for a national band, stage presence & dress were both criteria in the judging. The promoters weren't just looking for the best singer, they wanted the whole package. _________________ LIKE Lonman on Facebook - Lonman Productions Karaoke & my main site via my profile!
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jerry12x
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mckyj57 @ Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:27 pm wrote:
Our contest has a scorecard with 5 sections of 5 points each:
* Singing Ability
* Song Interpretation
* Stage Presence
* Audience Response
* Intangibles (enthusiasm/emotion)
Mine had exactly the same.
Lon. You also nailed it as did Leopard.
Bruce... Maybe without shouting we can just agree to not agree???
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diafel
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If a karaoke contest should only be about singing ability and nothing else, then perhaps there should be a screen for the singers to hide behind.
Maybe karaoke shows should just be about singing ability and screen should be put up on every stage?
Just try it and see how much people enjoy the show then. Sorry, Bruce, but I have to agree with the others. Karaoke is NOT just about singing. There is stage presence among other things. Just try my suggestion of the screen to see how much everything else matters at a show!
(although I do agree with you on the booty wins----totally unfair!)
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jamkaraoke
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BruceFan4Life
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I have no problem with song interpretation, stage presentation, audience response and Intangibles being parts of the scoring process. I just believe that they should be the things that separate the really good singers from each other. I feel that singing abilty should be at least 80% of the final score with 5% for each of the other 4 categories mentioned. This would prevent the terrible singers from ever getting near the highest scores in the contest. The singer who scores 75 out of 80 points in the singing category but only scores 15 points out of the other 4 categories should never lose to someone who can't carry a tune but manages to score highly in the other 4 categories in a situation where the 5 categories are all worth 20% of the final score.
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jerry12x
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Know what your saying.
We simply have a different outlook on it.
Some people are better on a live stage &
some better on the radio.
Think about Cher. Fantastic.
Maybe 15% as dramatic as Bassey???
I would rather watch Bassey &
hear Cher on the Radio.
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mckyj57 @ Tue Apr 20, 2010 12:17 pm wrote: I just held one (again) last weekend. It didn't go as well as the first two -- attendance was down comparatively, but there were competing events so it was not too surprising. It still was a financial win, though.
Now ours are 1) one-night contests which are 2) not held on our normal night.
This one was marred by a local hothead registering for a contest but assuming he knew how it would run without asking. He refused to list his song, saying "I'll just sing whatever" and then having him show up 10 minutes after the lineups and songs were set. I told him he was out since he wasn't there at start time, and he got all upset. He's a jerk. He sent over someone else to say "I'll talk to them and make sure they don't use you next time" (which would be great news for me, actually -- I don't want to do the darn thing). Then he showed up the next night and yelled at me.
But what it does for us, since we don't drive our regulars away by having it on the usual night, is cause some of the contest people to show up for our regular night. It is generally a positive, as much as I hate doing it I still have to admit it.
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I'm a nice guy and will usually go out of my way to get along with people. But rules are rules. If you don't like it, make your point but you STILL have to abide by them. What a jerk!
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BruceFan4Life @ Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:16 pm wrote: I have no problem with song interpretation, stage presentation, audience response and Intangibles being parts of the scoring process. I just believe that they should be the things that separate the really good singers from each other. I feel that singing abilty should be at least 80% of the final score with 5% for each of the other 4 categories mentioned. This would prevent the terrible singers from ever getting near the highest scores in the contest. The singer who scores 75 out of 80 points in the singing category but only scores 15 points out of the other 4 categories should never lose to someone who can't carry a tune but manages to score highly in the other 4 categories in a situation where the 5 categories are all worth 20% of the final score.
You feel that way -- fine. Our contest is not for you.
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BruceFan4Life
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mckyj57 @ April 26th 2010, 7:32 pm wrote: BruceFan4Life @ Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:16 pm wrote: I have no problem with song interpretation, stage presentation, audience response and Intangibles being parts of the scoring process. I just believe that they should be the things that separate the really good singers from each other. I feel that singing abilty should be at least 80% of the final score with 5% for each of the other 4 categories mentioned. This would prevent the terrible singers from ever getting near the highest scores in the contest. The singer who scores 75 out of 80 points in the singing category but only scores 15 points out of the other 4 categories should never lose to someone who can't carry a tune but manages to score highly in the other 4 categories in a situation where the 5 categories are all worth 20% of the final score. You feel that way -- fine. Our contest is not for you. Yup! No problem. I very rarely enter contests anymore. The last one I was in, I made it to the finals and when I showed up for the contest finals the KJ wasn't even set up at the time the contest was advertised to begin. I had other friends that were hanging out at another bar and I went to hang out with them instead. I don't expect to win. I just expect to hear some really good singing while I'm there. If I win a few bucks, that's just gravy.
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