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Went to a venue today to check it out. Great room, very large, lights and stage, bar, dance floor, projectors and flat screen. Very nice indeed.

They have karaoke on Sunday's only at the moment. 9 to 1:30.

Reading the KJ flyer....

.... over 300,000 songs.

Gimme a break.

250,000 of them are dupes!

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Songbook deluxe currently lists 304883 songs, I suspect no more than 40k are non-duplicates, probably less.


Anyone have a good guess on the true number of non-duplicate songs commercially avalible in English?

Any count of the largest non-duplicate library out there?

Dr Fred, a friend of mine made a book of every song on karaoke, Not counting songs from Karaoke Version or SBI, and came up with just under 40,000 non duplicated songs. So you are very close.

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We are talking about english only songs, right??

Here in SoCal, spanish karaoke is very big...

There are far more non-English songs in karaoke than there English songs. My estimate is that English songs account to less than 10% of all karaoke songs.

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KJ Pro lists just under 400,000 songs in their data base. This includes some foreign language karaoke tracks as well as many tracks with demonstration vocals that really are nothing but more duplicates, in my opinion. They also list DVD discs and VCD discs. While there are some songs that are only on one disc, there seem to be quite a few songs that seem to be on fifty or more discs. It would take a very long time to add every song to your song book and then manually go through the list deleting all of the duplicates but I would guess that there, on average, ten versions of each song which would bring the amount of individual tracks down to somewhere around 40,000. That means that when you start getting into the hundreds of thousands of songs, your percentage of duplicates continues to rise and once you reach that 400,000 mark, you actually have about a 90% duplication rate. When you think about the economics of that, even at ONE DOLLAR per song, you have spent $360,000 on duplicates.........assuming you don't wear a patch over one eye. At ten cents per song you still have $36,000 worth of duplicates. And people wonder how Sound Choice knows who to go after?

Come up with all the reasons why 300,00 is a goof.

Even better, come up with why YOU are the better/legal karaoke host- most important....

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No doubt non-english songs are important, I probably have 600+ mostly Spanish and German songs in my book at present, and that is where I am targeting future expansion.

But going all the way out to non-english on my question makes a meaningful answer nearly impossible to find. How likely are we to find an expert on the relative number of ALL of the non-english languages out there with karaoke songs. Sure for one or two other languages people might have a good read on it but to combine an expert on the number of karaoke songs for 50+ languages where they are made will increase the error margin so much that it probably means little to anyone. Not many places are going to expect a KJ to have much depth in more than a few languages at once.

I suspect SBI has about 4000 unique songs according to what I see so that brings the number up to maybe 44k English songs. I think SBI specifically targets what is not made elsewhere. I dont have a good feel on Karaoke version on how many unique songs they have.

Even with the 40,000 estimate we have to ask how many mis-spelled duplicates were not eliminated and counted.

All I know is that Song Book Deluxe lists 125 versions of Love Shack. It is not that unusual, and there are many other songs in that range.

My point is that I get people who come from 100k song hard-drive shows who complement my songlist which is at 10k non duplicated, so I suspect something is fishy.

I know that everyone keeps talking about 40,000 unique songs. When I started, I told myself I was going to build the largest library I could for karaoke, since I was so sick of going out to karaoke shows and they didn't have what I wanted to sing. I found this to be the case anytime a show had 6000 or less songs, which in my area seemed to be the average.

Each year I spend a couple thousand more on songs, scrounging for anything I don't have. When I update next month I will have hit 22,000 songs, of which 10% - 15% are duplicates. At that number, I find it harder and harder to find songs I don't have, but if the number of unique songs was double what I currently have, you think it would be easier to find more songs.

So, my thoughts are the actual unique song list in English is more around 25,000 - 30,000 songs. But I'd like to see an actual number. Is is possible to get a copy of the KJPro songbook list and put it in Excel and eliminate the duplicates to give us a more accurate number, with the error of misspelled songs accounted for?

Now granted, I don't have 100,000 plus songs like all the pirates who probably only spent a few hundred on their HD, but I don't have 20 versions of the same songs either. I am, however, guilty of getting karaoke from about ten sources, including the pay-per-download sites, which is how I manage to have so few duplicates. I try to leave the dupes out of the books, as I find it to be more confusing for the average karaoke singer, so my books show at most 5% dupes.

I have a freind who did this... A lotta, lotta work he told me. He came up with about 32,000 unique songs. I looked it over and I still found some dupicates he missed. I'd say 25k give or take, 90% English in that excel sheet.

Now that would be a nice valuable Excel sheet to us KJs, . Any chance it could be made available?

Just on a mater of curiosity 300,000 songs is a bit over 2 years of karaoke NONSTOP 24/7.

To burn that many songs onto a hard drive from disks would take 5000 hours at 1 minute a song (personally I average about 2 min a song including verifying info on song name/sorting disks). Choosing, downloading and record keeping from legit download sites takes nearly a minute a song or longer with record keeping. Done less efficiently it could easy take double that.

In total the act of just getting the disks onto a hard drive probably would be 5000 hours or more. (Average Americans work about 1800 hours a year).

Or this guy could be disk based at 15 songs a disk, that would be 20,000 disks. At 2.1 ounces a disk without any packaging, that would be 2500 POUNDS of CDS (or a bit over 1000 kg for the cds ALONE with no binders/cases etc.

A binder with 50/songs page would be 6000 pages long and weigh 28 pounds for the paper alone, not including any binding or covers.

Let us salute this guy's work ethic because he must have put a lot of effort into it.

(note this is SARCASM) if you dont get it look it up.

No joke?

I'll see if it's available.

^^^ I'm sure it would make a nice reference for those of us to see if something is available or where we can find what we don't have without having to sift through the original 395,000 listings.