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Just read some interesting information from the KAPA FAQ page.
http://www.karaokeantipiracyagency.com/faq.html

So over the years I've purchased CDG's and always made a COPY for back up.
(LEGAL). In the past more times than not I would use the COPY in my show perserving the pristine original disc. ( ILLEGAL ).

Like many KJ's I since "ripped' or copied and converted the material on the disc to an mp3+g format. ( ILLEGAL ?) use them in a SHOW (ILLEGAL !!!)

Sure the small percentage of MP3+G I downloaded directcly or purchased on a dsc
maybe be LEGAL to use in a show ? copied as back up ( illegal? )


So.... Are we all PIRATES and LAWBREAKERS ?????

I guess we are. That's why we should not be so quick to point the finger at others. There are a lot of "gray" areas out there that many of us fall into. Why is OK for my "gray area", for instance, but not yours?
As the time worn saying goes, judge not, lest ye be judged. (There's a reason it's been around for thousands of years!)

And so poorly interpretated as most do not use the full quote in context. Here is the full verse:

NIV -

King James -

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Now I'm glad I only have 4 CD+G disks..

That many!?!

Off that site:

However, music (including Karaoke CDGs) is part of the "Phonorecord" class of copyrighted materials. Archive copies are not permitted in this class. So, no, you may not make an archive copy of your Karaoke discs.

This is wrong; or should I say, muddy at best. The Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) was intentionally written up a bit vague. The problem here is that anybody can interpret and write anything they want on any site; i.e.; lawyer talk. They should be going after “true” bootleggers and pirates but the muddy language opens up a Pandora’s Box of “opportunities”.

I posted something awhile back which "sort" of clears this up.

In the end, and generally, nobody will bother going after you if you have a CD copy of your owned discs. And, even if you do copy your owned material to a hard drive, if you can prove that it’s your stuff, you’ll be okay, outta money and time to prove it but you’ll come out okay.

As was said previously, they should be going after the sellers of the discs and hard drives. I know for a fact that a dude selling KJ and DJ hard drives off Craig’s list and in local rags, has been turned in, many times, is still in business.

Why?

Timberlea, I'm not sure why you see fit to pick apart every post I make, but if it makes you happy, then please fill your boots.
The quote, even in the longer version you posted still applies in the very same manner, so why bother to repost it like that as if I had some how misinterpreted it?

I dont think it is up to KAPA or DMCA to tell us what is legal or not, it is up to the MANUs. We agree to their terms when we crack open their discs.

IF one manu goes after persons for using digitized versions of material that was only sold on disc... it is within their right.

If other manus choose not to go after those that use digitized versions, it is also within their right.


Most here assume that owning the disc is the key, IMO the key is opening our eyes and seeing what each MANU tells us is allowed... with their words and legal actions. But even if to date no action has been taken, they still reserve the right to take action at a later date if the license agreement is not followed.


Many Blu-Ray movies now come with a digital download codes for that same movie, I dont care what DMCA says about it. That studio is GIVING me permission to get a digital download.

KAPA was kind of the manu stating it, SC was one of the original founders of that one.

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Are we all PIRATES and LAWBREAKERS ?????



YES. But then name me a single human being who is not.

Sort of the reason for the post..it seems everyone who has ripped cdgs to a hardrive or burnt back up copies is in violation.

I don't want to hear --Oh well that's ok because the MANU won't go after you if its only 1-1. What happens when the manus are done suing the BIG PIRATES ???
Then do they go after anyone who ripped a cdg to mp3+g ??

Are there no LAWYERS on this board that actually KNOWS THE LAW

Would that be the Gray law...

Jam, problem is, is that they don't seem to be going after the suppliers, fas as I can tell.

I do not understand why the record industry doesn't embrace karaoke. I mean, if I was Taylor Swift's record executives, I'd have every album she releases put out on a karaoke version also. They have the original band's tracks, all they need to do is not mix in the vocals, press some CDs, and charge $20+ each for them.

Who knows how much the song-writers earn from the sale of CDG discs, only the manufacturers I would guess, but they have to hire a band, spend time in the studio, and end up with something that often sounds poor or just passable in comparison to the popular artist recording.

So when you think about it, the whole industry is just freaking brain-dead, aren't they?

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Guess they'd rather have you spend the OUTRAGOUS price to see her live. Which I hear, ain't no picnic...

I would not trust the KAPA to tell me what is legal. They clearly have a vested interest in one interpretation of the law.

There are other interpretations of the same laws that are much more favorable to activities of KJs that attempt to be legal, but also use modern technology.

The fact is that many legal opinions on Karaoke have NOT been settled in court cases and there are valid arguments for both sides for many of these issues.

It is in the interest of some in the industry to spread interpretations on legal matters that favor them as settled caselaw. On the other hand it is NOT settled case law as such cases have NOT gone to court with regards to karaoke (and in some cases even for regular music).

Not to say that KAPA are necessaraly wrong, just that they are not unbiased experts.

Guess what she did? Just that. She was the first in the US to do it that I know of.

Jian says this is routine practice in Asia.

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Actually both of Taylor's albums were released as karaoke. They even included a DVD with Music Videos minus lead vocals. $13.88 at Wally World, I've got both of them, my singers love the fact that it's the real thing and not a recreation.

But you're right, if the record companies would also release an artists album as karaoke they would probably sell a lot more albums. The only other ones that I know of were Singing Machines 'Original Artist Motown Series'.

Wait... I can get Taylor Swift for 13.99?

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