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pagodavista
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Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 2:11 pm |
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Can anyone recommend a good software online for vocal removals?
Thanks,
Wyatt
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jerry12x
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Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 2:36 pm |
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Please...
Do not build your hopes up.
If something helps it is a bonus.
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mckyj57
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Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 7:13 pm |
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There is nothing that is good, because it is an impossible job. All of them work somewhat on certain songs, or not at all on other songs. It all depends how much in the center the vocals are compared to how the instruments are.
As Jerry said -- don't build your hopes up. You *will* be disappointed.
_________________ [color=#ffff55]Mickey J.[/color] Alas for those who never sing, but die with all their music in them. -- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.
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Kevinper
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Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 7:21 pm |
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Vocal removers used to work back when the vocals were in the center. Not anymore. When the voice is taken out, a lot of the frequencies for other voices and instruments are also taken out and the recording becomes unsusable for anything but expermentation.
_________________ Kevin
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purpletib
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Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 2:46 pm |
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I was thrilled about Nero 9 having the option, but alas the sound quality of the songs afterwords is horrible. I have been looking, and have found that Goldwave (downloadable demo available) works quite well with very little sound degredation when you use the effects<stereo<voice reduction feature. If the vocals are not mixed down the center, use the pan feature under the stereo option to adjust it before the vocal reduction. Still hit or miss, but I'm happy with some of the results so far. Play with the options for adjusting to get what you feel is the best sound. Make sure you are using wav files ripped directly from a CD, not a MP3.
I am guessing if there was software that used dolby digital 5.1 or better that this process would work even better. Any suggestions for such software? Not to mention, would that work with a regular CD or would it have to be an enhanced CD for dolby digital or a DVD? Sorry for hijacking the thread, just looking for even better solutions to the one I mentioned above.
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jerry12x
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Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:22 pm |
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Think you would find Dolby 5.1 more complex.
You seem pleased with some of your results.
Good on you.
Incidentally I have heard excellent reduction from a James Blunt album.
It is doable. Just that the majority is not.
Every one you get is a bonus.
Keep it up and let us know what you find.
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ctrever23
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Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 4:23 pm |
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I am always being told how good vocal removers are nearly impossible to find or accomplish...but how do the professional karaoke companies do it?
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BruceFan4Life
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Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 5:01 pm |
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ctrever23 @ May 1st 2010, 7:23 pm wrote: I am always being told how good vocal removers are nearly impossible to find or accomplish...but how do the professional karaoke companies do it?
They hire musicians to reproduce the music.
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enzoab
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Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 6:27 pm |
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purpletib @ Mon Apr 26, 2010 2:46 pm wrote: Goldwave (downloadable demo available)
I just tried this tonight. Pretty good job actually. You have to then load it up into Soundforge or alike to tweak it further but, if it ain't avaiable and the songs a must for a client, it's okay. I did an Elvis tune that isn't yet out in karaoke and it did okay, well enough for sure.
Thx.
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jdmeister
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Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 7:08 pm |
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I record my own, but for me it's easy.. Every other block here in Hollywierd has an empty studio begging for anyone to spend a few $$$ to book time and record tracks.
So google your way to success..
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purpletib
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Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 9:40 pm |
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enzoab @ Sat May 01, 2010 9:27 pm wrote: purpletib @ Mon Apr 26, 2010 2:46 pm wrote: Goldwave (downloadable demo available) I just tried this tonight. Pretty good job actually. You have to then load it up into Soundforge or alike to tweak it further but, if it ain't avaiable and the songs a must for a client, it's okay. I did an Elvis tune that isn't yet out in karaoke and it did okay, well enough for sure. Thx.
What do you do in Soundforge to tweak it further? I've never used that software before.
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Rockin Bruce
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Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 4:07 pm |
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MTU has pretty decent software packages that allows you to do vocal reduction, add lyrics and graphics, and produce CD-G's. I use a lot of my self produced discs when I hit different venues. There is some degradation of sound quality but with experience you learn to tweak the treble and bass ranges to compensate somewhat.
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enzoab
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Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 8:12 pm |
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purpletib @ Sat May 01, 2010 9:40 pm wrote: enzoab @ Sat May 01, 2010 9:27 pm wrote: purpletib @ Mon Apr 26, 2010 2:46 pm wrote: Goldwave (downloadable demo available) I just tried this tonight. Pretty good job actually. You have to then load it up into Soundforge or alike to tweak it further but, if it ain't avaiable and the songs a must for a client, it's okay. I did an Elvis tune that isn't yet out in karaoke and it did okay, well enough for sure. Thx. What do you do in Soundforge to tweak it further? I've never used that software before.
Dolby Noise Reduction, mess about with this and that. Really trial and error.
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enzoab
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Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 8:13 pm |
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Rockin Bruce @ Sun May 02, 2010 4:07 pm wrote: MTU has pretty decent software packages that allows you to do vocal reduction, add lyrics and graphics, and produce CD-G's. I use a lot of my self produced discs when I hit different venues. There is some degradation of sound quality but with experience you learn to tweak the treble and bass ranges to compensate somewhat.
Agreed. I'm thinking of buying this package. From what I've researched, it does a good job....
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Jian
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Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 9:19 pm |
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Most recording software can do a good job in removing vocal from most audio tracks. All that is needed is inverting the polarity of the track and any audio frequencies recorded at the center will be subtracted from the track. What cannot be removed is the effect added to the vocal and any instrument that is center panned. The bass and kick drum which is normally panned center will also be removed. It is not difficult to restore the bass and kick; Run the track through a filter to remove the mid and hi leaving the bass and kick. Save that track. Do the polar inversion on the original track and then combine that two to get the bass and kick, back.
_________________ I can neither confirm nor deny ever having or knowing anything about nothing.... mrscott
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enzoab
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Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 7:16 am |
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Jian @ Sun May 02, 2010 9:19 pm wrote: Most recording software can do a good job in removing vocal from most audio tracks. All that is needed is inverting the polarity of the track and any audio frequencies recorded at the center will be subtracted from the track. What cannot be removed is the effect added to the vocal and any instrument that is center panned. The bass and kick drum which is normally panned center will also be removed. It is not difficult to restore the bass and kick; Run the track through a filter to remove the mid and hi leaving the bass and kick. Save that track. Do the polar inversion on the original track and then combine that two to get the bass and kick, back.
Very helpful:
http://www.ethanwiner.com/novocals.html
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Jian
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Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 7:52 am |
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Joined: Tue Apr 06, 2004 10:18 pm Posts: 4080 Location: Serian Been Liked: 0 time
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enzoab @ 3rd May 2010, 11:16 pm wrote: Jian @ Sun May 02, 2010 9:19 pm wrote: Most recording software can do a good job in removing vocal from most audio tracks. All that is needed is inverting the polarity of the track and any audio frequencies recorded at the center will be subtracted from the track. What cannot be removed is the effect added to the vocal and any instrument that is center panned. The bass and kick drum which is normally panned center will also be removed. It is not difficult to restore the bass and kick; Run the track through a filter to remove the mid and hi leaving the bass and kick. Save that track. Do the polar inversion on the original track and then combine that two to get the bass and kick, back. Very helpful: http://www.ethanwiner.com/novocals.html
that is a good article; I must have read it almost 10 years ago.
_________________ I can neither confirm nor deny ever having or knowing anything about nothing.... mrscott
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