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I'm with Chip. It should be treated differently because it IS different and if the ability to back your car house clothes, etc was there (which it isn't, so therefore make this analogy null ), you can bet your booty that everyone would want to do it and there would be laws allowing it within reason, just as there is for audio CDs and movies.
You're comparing apples to oranges here.

There is a way to "back-up" your car, house, boat, business equipment, and in fact it's a rather LARGE industry called INSURANCE. If people weren't scared into, or in some cases forced into "backing-up" their stuff, the insurance industry wouldn't exist. So, is this the "inevitable" next step for "backing-up" our discs? Maybe the manus could come to your show with a couple of wise-guys and ask if you'd like some INSURANCE on your discs, and for a "small" fee they will allow you to back them up. If you refuse, maybe something will happen to your ORIGINALS. Food for thought.

Rosario

As said you can buy insurance for your car, house etc. you can also buy insurance for your music but if the discs are out of print what good is it, which is why some people back them up.

If my house burnt down and my car was in the garage I could get them both replaced but if my discs got melted in the process and they were out of print no amount of money the insurance company paid me could replace them.

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Great idea, but even insurance cannot replace what is no longer in print. Backing it up is my own "self-insurance."

But I could keep the broken disc and play the backup right? Wrong according to Chartbuster.

Well then, I could just not bring any discs at all and simply tell the singers to bring theirs and I'll play them right? Wrong according to Chartbuster.

How about just using an internet connection and spend a few bucks each night just use what's on the "karaoke channel?" Not reliable.



And how is what they are doing now any different?

Lone Wolf Said:


Exactly.... You could get another car within the hour, a place to live in less than that, but you be completely out of business as far as the discs are concerned. The insurance company would pay you the "depreciated value" of the "music cd's" which is really less than squat and you'd STILL be out of business.

I'm sure art galleries, etc have insurance on their one of a kind articles that can't be replaced. And your insurance never exactly replaces the article lost.

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Art Galleries & Karaoke.... apples to oranges Timberlea....

And it IS true that; "your insurance never exactly replaces the article lost" but my own backup will, so in this case, it's actually BETTER THAN the insurance company. I can replace the sound system in a heartbeat and not miss a single day of work while the insurance company is figuring out how much they're NOT going to pay on my investment so I can replace it. And that can take months.

Some of you just sound like whiney kids going if you don't do it my way I'm going to take my ball and go home. Sorry but it is the cost of doing business. If you don't like it, then get out.

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Poor Bruce. Always looking for the perfect show. Breaking host's hearts.

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Never played a customer disc. Never had a request. After the chartbuster post, think I will continue to steer clear of that little issue.

I have a decent size library now, not 100,000 like some of the hosts out there, but I have the disc for each song. I have over 10,000 songs and I continue to buy discs. If a singer can't find a song in my book (which is kept up to date and if it isn't in my book, I don't have it) that they can sing, that's a shame. I guess I won't ever see Bruce at my show, or a few others but just not worth the hassle for me. Maybe my area of the country is just used to singing the songs the host has.

To each his own.

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The same way it happens to police forces, the FBI and every other law enforcement agency out there.

As for customer discs? That's easily solved. "Here's Janie singing a song off her own disc".

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Bravo...

We had a singer in tonight who had actually purchased an entire Sound Choice Brick. She wanted to sing,"Thank God I'm a Country Boy" off it. We have it but not the same version. Now there is a song that could mess up a person if they had a version they weren't used to. She drove 3 hours to come to our show. We played her discs. Come and get us.

Okay, I'll bite. I'll assume Timberlea that you actually know the nature of the mistakes made during SC investigations that resulted in false accusations. And I will, also assume that you are aware that the SC investigators are not trained law enforcement types. I will also repeat for your benefit what I have said to others: What is involved with the SC investigations is not rocket science!

And in conclusion, Timberlea, heaven help us if the police, FBI and RCM are performing, as you suggested, at an equivalent level of proficiency as SC investigators! Unfortunately we already are dealing with the lack of proficiency on the part of the TSA. I hope, Timberlea, since you probably fly through the States on occasion that you are not prone to mitigating their missteps, as well! ka-boom

not the greatest analogy, but I'll run with it. If I could inexpensively do it, providing I had the skills, material, and tools, I would, and no manufacturer would bother me. I'd even sell some, seeing all furniture and cars look and work basically alike, and I don't see the different manufacturers going after one another. Of course, like not too long ago with mp3gs, I'd have some trouble with storage...
I (my opinion), don't consider myself a pirate, and don't mind buying my music "once", but I go back a bit, and DJs like myself, transfered our songs on records to tape for ease of application, and to avoid skipping and hiss during gigs. Never heard a word from artists or record labels.
I remember radio stations were charged, nothing to maybe $5 a year, to play any song they desired to play, and the artists, and Labels were just happy if they played their material.
Now let's get back to the cars and furniture. Maybe you use your car and couch for your business. Instead of just the initial price, maybe they should charge you annual royalties, when you make money with them. Maybe a mechanic should be charged annual royalties for using his tools to make money. How about your computer, karaoke program, or cdg player. Without them, nobody makes any money, and I bet they didn't cut cds, telling people that, buy these now, and in a few years they'll make something to play them on.....no player, no media....no matter what you might think(evolution tells us), the chicken came first. All these inventions, are created by "artists" called inventors, and they deserve the same as their musical counterparts.......but to them, selling something once, is not enough. Maybe the descendents of the guy who invented do re mi fa so la ti do, should be getting royalties from all the artists.... ......ok, I'll quit now.....

This is a fascinating discussion that has touched on a lot of issues I've been wrestling with for years. Thanks to all of you who have participated, but now I have a question for Mr. Grimes.

As a KJ I feel caught between a rock and a hard place when a singer brings up a burnt disc. If I play the disc, I can be sued. If I don't play the disc, I make the singer angry and no singer-no show. No matter what action I take, I lose.

How about the karaoke manufacturers getting together and creating some sort of PDF for KJs to download that explain to the customer that you the manufacturers don't want KJs playing burns, that you are going to sue the pants off any KJ you catch playing a singer;s burnt disc. and that you are going to send investigators out into the field looking for KJs who play such discs.

Do that and I'll be more than happy to hand the customer a copy of your signed statement and say "Sorry, but if I play your disc I'm going to get sued. If you think this is heavy-handed I sympathize, but I can't afford to be sued."

How about it? Are you willing to take the anger and the heat for your policies onto your business instead of mine ?

Yeah, I remember(been awhile ) playing sports, like basketball. I remember my team mates saying.....wow johnny is amazing......all he ever does is eat, sleep, and watch TV, yet he still managed to go 1 for 10 from the floor, and 2 for 9 at the free throw,,,,woooo hoooo.
You pay 100 bucks or more for a concert, but somebody that actually pays for the right to try to sound descent in an attempt to entertain an audience.....is a scumbag to you.....lmao......what do you think most scumbags like this are doing while they wait for their turn. They are listening, and enjoying the other 30 or 40 singers...."it's all good".....at least that's this scumbags opinion......I've never smoked, I don't go outside for any reason......I sit, drink, listen, whistle and clap......for everyone, and I mean every bit of it. Do I practice? If you've sung a song two or three times, even if, just at shows....that means you've more than likely practiced a song, more than I practice a song. It wouldn't be unusual for me to sing 300 or so songs over the course of a year, having tried it out at home a time or two, the day of, or the days before I get out, so I feel comfortable, so yes I practice. But, my eyes are always glued to the monitor, though I have a few thousand basic tunes in my head, I doubt I know most of the words to a single song....except for maybe the National Anthem.
I guess if you tell someone a joke, you wouldn't want to have it down pat, so you can screw it up..... that'd be terrible if someone enjoyed it, and actually laughed.........you are a rare breed, and god bless you........lmfao

edit....ps....If it sounds like a brag, it shouldn't......there's about a million or more(maybe a bit exagerated..... ) singers on this site that can do the same thing....it's a person like the one I quoted that's a rarity.....so they have the bragging rights....

Dear God, I just realized we have people come into the bar and bring their own pool cues--all in these pretentious little bags. What Divas. They really do ruin it for the people who can't get a ball in the pocket on 5 tries. And it is totally disrespectful to the bar that has gone to great trouble to provide a selection of pool cues.

Okay, sorry for piling on. I just don't get it is all.

Hmmmm, does that make me a karaoke "shark"?

Johnny Reverb said:


Was that little rant fun for you? You have a wonderful imagination... I'm sure it keeps you occupied quite often. So now that you've had your fun, let's actually see if ANYTHING you've said has any basis in fact or if your just whistlin' out your rear end:



So? What does this have to do with anything? It doesn't. It's just a waste of key strokes while you try to inflate your ego.



No, YOU pay $100 bucks for a concert, not me and that's your choice, who am I to interfere with your choices?

And to correct you, nobody "actually pays for the right to try to sound descent in an attempt to entertain an audience." I didn't know it was a "right" because it isn't in the constitution.... and it isn't a "right." However, I do (just like the club I work in) have the "right" to "refuse service to anyone for any reason." And that includes anyone who thinks because they've set foot in a bar with karaoke somehow has magically had additional "rights" bestowed upon them.



I'm glad it makes you feel more comfortable because after all, it'a ALL about YOU. And, if you are half the accomplished singer that you'd like us to believe you are, you should be able to sing the song you've practiced off of virtually ANY brand because YOU are THAT GOOD right? Just ask your sports buddies, they'll say you can go from the couch to the performance floor and be AMAZING! (oops!.. did I forget to mention that you only feel comfortable with the actual disc you practiced with?)



Once again, in your inflated "right to try to sound descent in an attempt to entertain an audience" you can't remember the words to a single song.... What happened to the "engaging the audience" part of "entertaining?" Is your definition of "entertainment" some guy standing behind a monitor with his eyes glued to it every second while he belts out a tune? This is entertainment? At least the "william hungs" that come into our places will walk around the place, sing from the back of the bar, screw up the words because of it and EVERYONE will be more "entertained" than a halfway decent singer standing like a statue behind a monitor. But hey, it's a good thing that at the least you know and admit to your limitations, that's mighty big of you. (Not a very entertaining scenario mind you, but big of you.)



Oh no, not at all! You'd want it down pat because timing and inflection are EVERYTHING when it comes to good comedy... kind of like the same reason you're eyes are glued to a monitor... timing and inflection.... oh, and lyrics....



A brag?.... (now where would I ever get that idea?)

And YES, to completely agree with you and use your words there are; "about a million or more(maybe a bit exagerated.....) singers on this site that can do the same thing" so YOU are UNIQUE... JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.



and who exactly were you quoting? I must've missed it in the brilliant dazzle of your stardom.....




and PLEASE show me where in ANY of my posts I have referred to ANYONE as a "scumbag." I can see where you have referred to YOURSELF as a scumbag, (and this is a free country and who am I to contradict you?) however in none of my posts will you see that I've referred to anyone that way.

Unfortunately no.