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I don't see the problem myself. I am more than willing as well when they get around this area. And if future checks are necessary to be compliant or even 'dropped' from a possible suit, no problem.

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we were asked to agree to future audits for KIAA membership...and we agreed....SC did not require we agree to drop the suit....can I make it any more understandable

It is understandable now, when I asked and you answered yes... WE WERE very clearly talking about the lawsuit and not KIAA membership, but thanks for clarifying.

Might not be a huge problem, but not in line with the whole "we wont bother your if you are 1:1" sales pitch.

I see your point Man-o-beer, please consider this. SC "could" come back tru your area years later and want to reverify you are still legal. 1-1 now doesnt absolutly mean 1-1 6months -5 years later. I am not attacking anybody's honor but people do exsist that would con their own grandmother. Why would anyone object to a recheck if they are legal?


KJAthena

I look at it as a boss asking you to submit to random drug testing. If you are clean, no big deal, inconvience - sure.
I think this is done for those who do get checked, pass & then figure they are good to go to reload their drives - more for a deturrent IMO to think twice before doing so. And if that time again comes that they ask to re-audit, if you are clean, no big deal - inconvenient - sure.

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Have to ask, somebody inferred that receipts for the discs were also required, did you have to show proof of receipts?

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Yeah, well...I don't do drugs, either, but I would never work for a company that made me submit to random drug testing. Again...I feel it is a huge personal violation. I didn't sign up for that when I purchased the discs. If they had put that on the packaging, I would have kept right on walking.

birdofsong

I understand and accept what you are saying, just trying to get all the facts and see if they are in line with what SC like to say on public forums.

If they would just admit that anyone that format shifts is subject to a lawsuit and/or voluntary audits... We the consumer can make an educated choice.

But they still go on record saying we wont be bothered or gone after when it is apparent that is not the case.




Just because I am legal, does not mean I would "like" an IRS audit.
Just because I am sober, does not mean I would "love" to be pulled over and asked to take field sobriety tests.
Just because I am healthy does not mean I would "like" a hernia exam.

If I the customer can find other companies that dont subject their customers to lawsuits and "audits"... Why would you object to me choosing those other companies?

In some cases we do not have a choice, but when it comes to purchasing Karaoke discs we still do.



OK, but even if you compare being an employee to being a PAYING CUSTOMER...

If you had the "Choice" between two companies and everything else being equal would you choose the one that preformed random drug tests or the one with no such requirement? "everything else being equal"

Back when I banked with WaMu, I lived equal distance from two branches.
One had metal detectors in between two doors where customer had to wait till first door closed behind and the green light came on b4 you could enter through the second door.
Other in branch just had a front door. I never robbed a bank or carried concealed weapons, but I PREFERRED to go the one without the metal detectors.



I admit that I think SC tracks are great, but to ME... it is not currently worth the possible "inconvenience".

Now now ericlater.... resorting to name calling?

Ooops, I just called you a name.... sorry, me bad!

You're damn right I do especially depending on the job. Do you want a surgeon working on you if he or she is drunk or on drugs, or a police officer, pilot, soldier, a judge or the person making your food, professional driver, etc.

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Thanks, so you see in AMERICA we do have a choice.

The only problem with that analogy is that we're not talking about drug testing the surgeon, or judge or highly specialized person to whom you are trusting your life...we're talking about drug testing the customers.

It's like saying...give me your money and then, as a bonus, I'll sodomize you later, but I'm not going to tell you that part now. Who the hell would choose that if they were allowed to make an informed choice up front? It's a bait and switch...

I thought I was just purchasing Karaoke discs. It seems, however, now they have come with invisible strings.

No thank you.

birdofsong

"Have to ask, somebody inferred that receipts for the discs were also required, did you have to show proof of receipts? "
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no...we were not asked to show any receipts

I am not saying anyone here has to agree to the audits that is their deceision. It just protects trhem and their venues from being sued.I understand the need. When "Someone" buys one disc and makes 10 copies for each rig or buys and uses a a IRC file sharing site or uses a cloned preloaded hard drive they are stealing pure and simple. Piracy became the standard in our area and alot of people will end up having to pay the price and swallow a bitter pill to save the industry. More manus are looking at the same type of "process" SC is using to try and reverse the problem.

"I look at it as a boss asking you to submit to random drug testing. If you are clean, no big deal, inconvience - sure.
I think this is done for those who do get checked, pass & then figure they are good to go to reload their drives - more for a deturrent IMO to think twice before doing so. And if that time again comes that they ask to re-audit, if you are clean, no big deal - inconvenient - sure.


Yeah, well...I don't do drugs, either, but I would never work for a company that made me submit to random drug testing"

Wamart requires Drug testing as does McDonalds I dont think I have seen an application that does not require Drug Testing in years. Birdof song This is in no way a personal attack you are free to do as you choose and find Manus that are not yet nor in process of joining POOP as it is called here, Just ask yourself who are you really punishing except your singers

KJAthena

I know I wouldn't frequent a bar if I knew that the KJ was stoned all the time while working. Guaranteed that he wouldn't be running a fair show.

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Wow I worked for several companies that required that even before hire. Then random picks throughout whenever. Might be the area, many jobs require that now days around here - from entry level to 20 years experience. My Dad just got on with Boeing in admin, not even the grunt work, had to submit, he's 63.
And if the 'forum scuttlebutt' is true, PHM & CB is starting to follow the same process. Not that I take it to heart without links or proof, but I have no reason to doubt that it's going to happen eventually - then what>?

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Rumor has it that Steller (Pop Hits) is already conducting their own sweep of Florida.

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Lonnie, I think you are ALL missing the point with the "drug testing analogy"..

Yes, boeing CAN drug test it's employees, so can MicroSoft. A state can drug test it's employees as well; a judge, a cop, a fireman etc...

And yes, even Walmart can drug test it's employees anytime they like...


But Walmart (in this case, Sound Choice) CANNOT follow it's CUSTOMERS home and decide to randomly drug test them anytime they want.

I don't work for Sound Choice and they are NOT my employer with any rights to randomly "test me for anything." They do NOT pay me to work for them or perform any service for them. As a matter of fact, displaying their trademark on a karaoke track is FREE ADVERTISING that they've received from me for 15 years.... as is their web url they dump at the end of tracks.

If this were true then by all rights, we should be able to demand that any manufacturer PROVE that the tracks they are selling to us are just as "licensed for commercial use." Otherwise, they are now causing "confusion" with our customers into thinking that any/all artists (like the Eagles or Linkin Park) "approve" of their usage as karaoke tracks.

It's simply quid pro quo (tit-for-tat); They want us to prove that we have a license (in the form of a disc) and we should have the right to see the license (permission) for them to create and sell us someone else's product in the first place.


If they are legitimate then they have nothing to hide right?

Enough people on these forums like to throw that phrase around, well then the manufacturers should be held to the same standard - period.

Wow, drug testing the customer? Yea that about sums about the anaolgy. Do you really want to get drug tested at McDonalds? No? Then why do you want to get audited as the customer here? You really have a warped sense of stuff if you think "it's no big deal I am legal" Sorry none of us is really legal. Even Walmart has sold stuff that was later found out to be illegal. So some of you that think that just cause you have the receipts that makes it legal. Even CB has discs now that look like burned discs. Come on people you do have rights as the CUSTOMER. You are not an employee of SC so start acting like it.

OMG The next thing they will have the police driving round in cars looking for suspicious people to stop and check.
Yea things are going too far now.