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I think we should just cancel all ranking and just comment that would take care of that problem. I think many of us have stop ranking and have started commenting only . I have had the same broblem with someone giving me a good comment and then ranking the song low . I like people to be honest about the song and give me some helpful tips on how to record or sing it better. maybe we should go back to the old way were we could see who's ranking

I'm not 100% positive, but I think the ranking helps determine the top song of the week. I guess it's a personal choice, if you don't want to be ranked, just don't choose that option.

I like both because I feel it gives me a clearer picture of how people feel. If people truly like the song, they will rank you high to justify what they are saying. If I see that all comments are good, but the song is not a 10 out of 10, then something needs to be improved. So, that's my clue to figure out how to make it better.

Of course, it would help if they told you what needs to be improved, but I think human nature is to try not to hurt feelings. Alhough it may be very easy to accept constructive criticism, it's very hard to dole it out. My humble opinion.

Thanks for straightening me out on that guys. Gosh, I feel like a big whiney baby. You guys are the greatest. This web site is so much fun.

You now what, Jimmy Ray, it takes a lot of guts to get up to the mike and express yourself. Not everyone's gonna like what you're singing all the time. But just the fact that you're putting yourself out there makes you a 10 in my book anyday!

Hey, been there done that too.

I accidentally didn't click the "no" on ranking one song, and it got a low score from one person- but I know why, because they said so that time.

Then I thought "What the Heck" and decided to let a few more be ranked. I did not get 3 ranks total to get a score, BUT, if you watch your "overall member rank" or whatever it's called- your number there changes for EVERY time someone gives you a number. Even if that song hasn't gotten 3 ranks yet. So by watching closely one day after subbing 2 songs (to be ranked), I was able to see also that someone was telling me only "great job" yet giving me like an 8. Had to have been an 8 for that one persons' comment to drop me down 2 points in "overall".

But absolutely no explanation, no words of advice, no telling me to change something. I too, think it's all hoaky. If somebody has a beef with you, they'll click on your sub just to say "Great job" and give you a low score knowing they can remain anonymous in their rank.

So...... I don't rank and I wont be ranked. They can take my ranking priviledge away if they decide to- I don't use it anyhow. (most of the time) If I hear something that I feel can't go unrated cause it's too good, I'll give a 10. I've only given a total of like 4 or 5 9's the whole time I've been a member. And only then if someone said "please rank me" and it wasn't quite a 10. And most aren't , mine certainly aren't. There are 2 people on here whom I will not name that I think do a 10 performance on nearly every song they post.

It is taking the fun out of the site, and I have already noticed the revenge & suspicion thing going on. It's too bad, cause this was such a fun site. And still is for me, as long as I leave the ranking thing alone. I've went back and forth so much about it, but it always ends up the same. And I feel bad for the people who truly want to be ranked honestly, some do and it's important to them- but I don't think they are gonna get it. Not truthfully.

Steven: If ya read this- I'm still trying to check out Thunder Rose. I got to see the lead singer on another site, but that's the only one I've heard sing so far. And are you sure they aint too "rock" for me to sing with? I love their sound, what I've heard so far. It would be fun. I'm gonna mention it to my hubby, so hopefully he don't "freak out" on me.

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Well for starters... Most have set their standards too high... Now on a scale from 1-10 (Keep in mind 10 is PERFECT... Diction, Sound etc...ok) none here are a 10 "IMO" for example... Steve are you a 10 or is Alan Jackson a 10?... I'm NO 10 never have yet to be a ten In My mind, cause I know I can always do much better... but I do know I'm better then a "5" which I was rated in here... hence the reason why I choose NOT to be rated... The world lacks real judges and we all deserve at least a decent comment if nothing else... I'll tell some one they are Good... Good Job... Nice Job... Very Nice... EXCELLENT... but that dont mean they deserve an honest "10" no way... and Steve you should know all this.. if you were in the Radio Scene... on the good note thought.. it's all kool, as long as we know our limits and DON'T EXPECT HIGH Scores all the time..... enuff on this for now or I'll really get into it ... Best of luck to you Steve in whatever you do man!.. **peace**

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Bro, I'm with you on this, but........I do sometimes give a 10 (which is all I will give), I will admit, but when I do, it's not because of the professional quality, it's because this person has outdone him or herself.

My 10 will never get you a recording contract, my 10 gives you a thumbs up for a job very well done! You have done a great job, and except for my comment, I like giving a little bonus now and then.

This forum is not a professional forum, but a karaoke forum, and that's how it should be treated.

If you do want a recording contract, you're at the wrong place by subbing to the SS

Hi there friends:

I think this is the perfect time to express my feelings about this subject once more and hopefully for the last time. Too many sour experinces happen to me while ranking others. By some of the reactions I could tell that it was not the proper thing to let a number stand in the way of the joy that singinging brings to everyone that have the guts to present their vocal abilities for the whole world to listen.
Now, since the rankers are incognito, I want to let everybody know that for quite some time my subs are not available for ranking just as I'm not ranking anybody. So I am only commenting always trying my best to be as helpful as I can be. I believe I can accomplish more by giving out advice according to my humble and modest experience.
That's all folks...

FUN FUN FUN

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Well the #'s game on these type of sights really have caused a lot of animosities any way you look at it... And AllStar I hear ya BUT again... I've been a net singer on ALL the chat sights for years... and believe me.. I've listened to some horrible singers (DRUNKS AND ALL) get ranked "10" and no way was that right... Effort doesn't justify The perfect score to the extreme amateur anywhere IMO.... heck there are singers and then there are SINGERS... I guess the best way is to, Abolish the Ranking all together... just leave encouraging comments and leave it at that... And YES it's suppose to be fun and all that BUT... this really isn't a Daycare center to appease... This is the REAL world and folks really need to Stay in tuned to that... *ty*

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Bro:

Yes, I fully agree with you. Ranking is a serious business and shuould be taken as such. It's no fun and games like many would like it to be.After all it hits people's feelings in a BIG WAY.

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It's a very difficult thing to be honest to people when you don't know how they will react or if they even want to hear your opinion. I assume that anyone who subs on this site is looking for feedback, but that's not always the case. Some only want positive feedback. After you've been here a while you start to figure aout who they are. We all would rather hear that we are good and that every song we sing is a 10.....but we all know that just isn't possible. I enjoy getting all the positive feedback and I appreciate every time someone takes the time to comment. I sometimes wish that I could make everyone believe that I really want to get honest critique on my songs. Some that I have subbed are very good and some aren't. Sometimes I sub something knowing I have problems in some areas and hope that someone will help me figure out how to fix it or let me know if the song just isn't for me. I always judge myself too harshly as I think we probably all do at times and my husband will be honest with me because he knows I can take it, but sometimes it's hard for him to be objective in critiquing me. (the love thing sometimes gets in the way) I think that sometimes when we give feedback we all take the high road so we won't come across sounding mean and get everyone mad at us. I would like to ask that if you feel you can't critique me in the showcase please send me a PM if you think you can give me some advice that may not sound too positive in the public eye. I'm a big girl and I can take it.

Just a request and if you want the same from me let me know.

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Sheree! You know that everything you do is a solid10!! !

Hell, that's easy! I'm an 11, Alan's a 9. !!

Bro, I think you may have missed the point of my post entirely. I never said that I thought I was a "10" or deserved a ranking of "10". I simply raised the question, why do some people leave a GREAT comment, yet rank LOW? If someone says, Hey this was absolutely fantastic!!!!, Why would they then follow that with a ranking of say, 5? Doesn't make sense.



No "if" about it. I spent seven years as a full time, professional on air radio announcer. I was a music director for several of those years. I selected what got air play and what didn't. Do I know more about music than most people? Absolutely not! Didn't know a damn thing then, still don't! That's the truth! But, ya don't need ta be a chef, ta know the cookin stinks!

I WILL tell you this though! I am absolutely certain that their are many on the Singers Showcase that deserve Radio Station Airplay!!

This whole commenting vs ranking thing is a very touchy subject. You can't control how someone will respond to your music. Just because I tell you in my comment that it was a good job doesn't mean it deserved a 10. Some of the members have said that a ten is a perfect flawless performance and a five is average. given that ranking system there would be very few 10's and you could still get a good comment for an above average perfomance and only receive a 7. It's all very subjective depending on the person giving the comment. Some people will give a 10 automatically to everyone. That's why I prefer to comment and not rank.

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well, well, well....Interesting converstaion here...here's my 2 cents worth. First and formost Steven, don't worry about the numbers hun...I always give you a 10, cuz I love every song u post. I also love your honesty in admitting, like me, that we just love singing, don't have the best gear, etc., aren't sound gurus, etc.

When I found Karaoke and this site both, I thought wow what a fun way to have more music in my life. But I got to tell u at times I feel some take it way to seriously. I got my feelings hurt early on and have witnessed others having the same problem. I have been so brazen as to take up for myself and others over this....I believe if we were "Stars" we prolly wouldn't be hanging out here....now would we? I think we are just music lovers who like to sing and listen to others sing. My momma taught me if you got nothing nice to say, shut up. Making harsh judgements on new folks just starting out can scare folks away as it takes all the guts some can muster to post their first songs....and the last thing they need is to be put down... "It don't matter if it's not good enough for anyone else to hear, just sing, sing a song".....Remember...it's Karaoke...and should always be fun....

I also believe that 9 and 10 are the operative numbers on here....If it were less than that I would say nothing.....To me its as logical as clapping for a tone deaf singer at karaoke....It's manners folks.... 9 if it's damn good and 10 if it made u smile real big! If it was pitiful, why say anything at all? That's like telling someone they are ugly....Why would u?

I realize, as I am sure we all do, that we are graced with some ultra talented individuals on here....Just like any night at karaoke there are always some extra good singers....Only logic...But we all deserve for this to be a pleasant place to come. No one should be made to feel uncomfortable and many have....

When someone asks for heavy critque or asks for help I say give it freely, but please we shouldn't assume that all aspire to be sound technitians and need to be pounded to the ground for imperfections if we did the the best we could with what we had to work with....at whatever time. That's like not becoming a Christian till you're ready to be PERFECT........We are singing songs peeps, we ain't building rockets here....This is a raw talent hang out folks...It isn't Nashville, New York, or Television....We are all just humans, enjoying music....making ourselves happy by listening to songs and sharing whatever talent we may have...Let's not get carried away here....

If you hate a song, turn it off, if you love someone let em know.....but above all be nice and have fun.....I love this site and my new found friends...You have provided me with hours of enjoyment here. I have shared this site with many friends of mine to come and enjoy....If someone wants help, help em, some are glorious, some sing better than they mix, some mix better than they sing.....some don't know a mix from trix but we all have something to offer so lets just have fun.....

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ps. I believe it is possible to go back and rank if you forget to....and to edit your coments, just not replies....

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Oops....... I was logged in wrong this is wannabe

Ok that's better

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You're so right that some of us do take this way too seriously. That's just a part of this site that you have to learn to accpet. I for one am very interested in improving both my mix and my singing and have been given so much wonderful advice on how to improve both.

It's true that some of you are simply not interested in improving or getting better at mixing or singing as you said it's just fun. That's acceptable, but if you put yourself out in a public forum you open youself up to any kind of response not just what you want to hear. Some of the members on this site do beleive that if you post a song you are asking for a critique and/or advice not just an affirmation just as others are inclined to be the cheerleasders and pat everyone on the back and say way to go to everyone . There is value in both kinds of commenters. If all I'm hearing is good job good job then at some point it becomes meaningless and if I can't reach certain high notes but sing the song anyway just for fun telling me that I can't reach the high notes is pointless as well because I already know that.

When I comment on someone I don't know I try to be positive and say someting positive until I get a feel for which kind of person I am dealing with. If it becomes clear that the person wants to improve and is open to critique I will try to help if I can based on my limited knowledge. If I decide that the person just wants to hear "Good Job " on every sub then that's what I give them. I do tend to stay away from the ones who cannot accept advice on mixing because frankly it can be hard on the ears to listen to a really bad mix over and over again. And it's so easy to fix if you'r aware of it and have the knowledge.

Anyone can improve their mixing abilities and you don't have to be a sound engineer or spend alot of money to get the mix right. I think you are missing the point. No one expects anyone to be perfect or to aspire to sound engineerig status but the truth is that the better the mix the better the singer sounds and if there is anything I can do to sound better I would love to have my friends tell me about it. I have noticed you on the forums asking about how to improve your mix as well so I think you do understand the value of a good mix and there are alot of people on this site who know what the're talking about.

It's good to have you on this site It's different opinions that make the world go around. We are all on this site for different reasons and I say we should learn to take what we need and throw away the rest and not be so thin skinned about what others say. We can't read each other's minds and know what everyone wants to hear. We can just be ourselves and hope to make some wonderful friends.

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