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I read or heard Insane was from New Jersey.

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Kevin

I actually ran into Insane in a cave in Gotham.

Awww shucks! Isn't it sad that SC is getting the monies they deserve for the product they produced while the poor legitimate KJ, who does nothing but complain about piracy hurting their business, gets nothing?

Why don't all you legitimate KJs get together and file a class action against the "pirates" for the damage their illegal activity is causing your businesses? But you'll have to hurry, as other manufacturers might just follow SC's lead now that they see SC is getting some return for their efforts, and that could mean the pirates' libraries becoming fully legitimate, removing the "unfair competition".

if the 'legitimate' companies reported the pirates and banned together we might have more gigs and or better paying gigs. i been doin karaoke on and off for a long long time always expanding my library even when im not doin shows. and with the cdgs popping up at incredible deals i bought some of those too. so 70k songs nowdays legitimate and yes there are dups but personally i dont necessarily like one brand over another cause they all have on and off days in making us karaoke tracks. so i allow the dups for the custoer to chooose that knows the brand they like or i'll point the way in what sounds close if i heard it. none the less we need to ban together. oh ps i use lasers still too its a crying shame not seeing them out there.


cheers

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Funny thing is 50-100K advertised songs these days are not including the new songs and what people actually want that kj's that care purchase, most of these hard drives are full of dups & have nothing current. I really no longer worry about them. I get what our customers want, which these pirates are not inclined to do 9 out of 10 times.

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I agree. I go to so many shows that seem to have added tens of thousands of songs a couple of years ago but never seem to have any of the newer songs. And to top it off; they have no way of playing a customer's CDG disc. So even if you buy new songs, you can only sing them at home or the KJ will tell you that he can play the disc if you have the lyrics memorized.

Went to a show recently where the book, which was a decent book, had not been upgraded in THREE YEARS. Comment from KJ: Just tell me what you want to sing and I'll play it. Well, that's great if you have a good memory and actually KNOW what you want to ask for. I depend on the book for ideas. Don't think this guy was running an illegal harddrive but it's just really annoying when they don't have it on paper for the singers to view (or on a kiosk).

agreed but i always listened to my customer and stay current with the monthlys and any special requests

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I don't mind dups, but when a kj counts all the dups as individual songs is what gets me. Like in those pirate books, yeah they may claim say 70K songs, but only in fact may have 20K individual titles. I've seen some of these books that contain up to 20 different versions of one song.

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I know one KJ who has pretty much every song that exists, but in that regard, I can't call him a pirate because I have been to his house. His basement is literally STUFFED to the rafters with cases of disc. I gave up at 3,000.


Of course its a lot easier when you have been in business since the initial invention of CDG discs..

However, he also seems to have all the pop hits monthly AND chartbuster updates, which he has said he downloads.

I have no clue if he's buying the discs after the fact or not..


-James

If the number of songs is important, what's wrong with a library that has only 20k unique songs? And I run 40% dup songs in my library what's wrong with that?

And how many unique songs are typically found in an illegal library of 100k, or of 150k, or of 200k? Does an illegal library of 150k have 40k unique songs?

Now consider this: If an illegal library of 70k tracks has 20K unique titles, how many unique titles does a legitimate library of 10k tracks have?

And shouldn't the fact that a library is illegal preclude any ASSUMPTION(s) regarding the quality or quantity of songs included in said library?

I remember a time when most members of this forum ASSUMED every pirate had second rate equipment! Unfortunately, for me and the other legit operators in my area, that has never been true about the pirates we compete with!

Jees! All i'm getting at is one that lists 50, 75, 100K songs do not actually have that many individual tracks, many are dups, sometimes massively - no nothing wrong with it, just don't make the claim for the mine is bigger than theirs mentality.
As far as unique tracks in a legit library, I have 12K individual tracks out of 14K.

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12K out of 14K is a great ratio. These pirates have at least an extra 100,000 songs to get MAYBE an additional 8,000 extra titles. 160,000 tracks to get 20,000 individual titles seems a bit ridiculous. 140,000 duplicates that will probably never get played. . I saw one KJ's songbook that listed 50 versions of Patsy Cline's CRAZY. Now that was CRAZY. Talk about wasting paper.

What makes that ratio so appealing?

And now comes the discussion regarding the quality and/or quantity of the typical pirate's library ----
TA DA!


Talk about wasting keystrokes!

I'm channeling Roseann Rosanna Danna today.

Never Mind!

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Oh, I don't know??? Maybe it's the 14% duplication rate versus the 80% to 90% duplication rate of most pirated systems. No "legal" KJ could afford to waste that kind of money on repeats.

from what i have seen most pirates dont have books, its like "BOOKS ... books we dont need no stinking books..." yet its an ol'e pasttime people sitting n drinking cant remember songs so they like a book to look atr... tell me im wrong

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That's Emily LaTella (adding the word "B***h)....

Rosanne rosanna Danna was, "It's Always Something. It it isn't one thing, it's another..."

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There will be nothing from SC or any other mfr. in regard to piracy, distribution, etc. They don't have any legal claim to the music- they don't own it.-period.

The ONLY grounds for suit- for which they will never appear in court- is copyright infringement regarding the appearance of their logo.

However, despite all the noise, there are many reasons why they would lose in court. When that happens, they lose all leverage for intimidating KJs out of settlements. They will make noise, send letters, threaten, yada yada- but they will not go to court- unless their lawyer is a complete idiot.

Even if they had solid legal ground- which they don't- once in court, ANYTHING can happen. Hey, OJ got off, remember? They can't afford to take the chance of losing leverage. Also, if they lost, can you imagine the possible class action suit from those who settled or been harrassed previously? Add to that the possibility of the music OWNERS getting involved due to so many tracks that have logos attached without licensing. They would not only lose every cent they've gotten through settlements, but MUCH more.

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