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Oh, you're noticeable alright. Folks like you stick out like a square peg in a round hole.

Sour puss face.. hands in your lap.. hairy eyeball glances. Most times they even put a song in just to show the room what a 'pro' sounds like.. then get pissy when nobody is impressed.

The 'holier than thou' attitude that comes from a self absorbed karaoke aficionado is like a neon sign flashing above the head so big, you wonder how they got in the front door in the first place.. and evidence of that type is all over this thread.

"Oh you suck because you don't let me play my superior discs.. people flock out of your half (@$%&#!) show and come see me because I follow a strict rotation. You obviously have no ear, or taste, and host a crappy show."

yawn

You guys sound like a broken record. Too bad most won't ever be ON a record.

But.. that's what Karaoke and the meds are for, right?

Hmmmm. Well, in his defense, which I really don't mean as a defense but just an observation--we used to attend a really fun show for years before we moved. It was the best time, the host was a sound guy, there was lots of dancing and people even brought in songs they wrote themselves to do. Went back for a visit recently and was surprised that most of the songs coming up were MM and SGB. I never knew the difference back when I didn't know anything. Plus we all brought our own discs anyway for the most part.

Fast forward to when we have our own show. The boyfriend accidently skipped a singer. He realized his mistake almost immediately--was looking right at the correct name to call, just had a brain malfunction for a second. He apologized and called the guy up next. The guy walked out. I followed and got a half hour lecture on how people have been skipping him all his life and this just brought back too many memories about how insignificant he is and it doesn't matter if we are sorry, it has killed his mood to sing and he is going next door. At first I felt bad that he thought we were so horrible then I realized what a bunch of emotional blackmail tyranny he was pulling--this was a man in his 40s going on about how we brought back the nightmares of his childhood by skipping him!!!!!! And he wouldn't accept an apology!!!!! So, while I used to really worry about someone walking out of our show, now I realize you can't please them all and maybe you don't need the cranky ones hanging around.

So I agree that making the singer God and letting them dictate the show can turn things into a boring assembly line. And people should loosen up. And if fun is the priority, lesser quality songs can be gotten away with. But I don't use that as reasons to BUY lesser quality songs and I see not messing with the rotation as just a common courtesy. The competition is intense out there and we need everything going for us that we can get.

Oh--and in our case, at least, we can get away with not playing dance music because the singers consider it a compliment to have dancers and will choose dance songs on their own. We have dancing most of the night. The bar tendress says it is good for business to keep people thirsty.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU!
You, Cue, have once again shown your extraordinary lack of reading comprehension skills. Review my post and you might (?) eventually finally realize that I made not a single dictate. Rather, I primarily provided questions for some who post repeatedly on recurring topics to consider and possibly answer, if even just for themselves why they feel compelled to do so?

And surely I do not expect anyone to answer to me or anyone else on this forum in this regard .

As to the successful karaoke show I mentioned that has been around for a dozen years relying on a library of mostly Music Maestro, if that DOESN'T provide you with some food for thought about all of the OPINIONS bandied about regarding the different karaoke products in use, you will probably never change your mind about much of anything and will NEVER allow yourself to be swayed by facts. Good for you

Now, although I never suggested talk should cease on any subject, perhaps you should desist from saying much in response to any post until you have gotten assistance in defining the actual meaning of what you have chosen to respond to? Just perhaps?

Says the guy who posts tracks of himself singing through his nose to 'vocals removed' tracks that sound like they were recorded in a sewer pipe.

Can you eat food with your (@$%&#!) too, or just talk out of it?

But hey.. just to show i'm a good sport.. i'll record myself singing through my crappy system along with one of my crappy music maestro tracks tonight at the show, and then i'll post it to the 'Singers Showcase' tomorrow.

All I can say at this point is I can see how both sides have a point.

Having tried to run karaoke myself, I have been in Cheese's position. Most of my shows had very talented singers BUT none of them were very well off and would not spend a lot of money. I would say about 80% of the crowd I was attracting were singers BUT were only drinking water. I wasn't very shocked that none of these gigs lasted.

I actually should have been more clear on my previous post. I will not buy alcohol for myself, but I will buy other people a drink. Regardless, I only go to shows where I know that my actions will not adversely affect the outcome *in other words, there are enough people there spending money that my presence is negligable*

Even if I don't have any money to spend on food or drink I ALWAYS tip the waitress which is why none of them will kick me out when I have nothing to spend.

I also bring my own discs with me because most of the venues I frequent are player based. This is probably largely due to the fact that the major karaoke supplier for Calgary foothills area is VERY anti-pc and has gone after several KJs to try and shut them down.

I have a fairly unusual/rare collection of music that I like to sing from, and none of the hosts seem to have the same songs. However if I know for a fact that the show I am going to is PC based, then I will leave my discs at home.

When I was running my own show, I did both. I carried a CDG player to allow for discs and I hosted from a PC. This actually made things even more a pain in the arse for me, but I did it for several reasons

1. Most of my dedicated singers brought their own discs.. Simple rule of business, cater to the people who support your business
2. If my computer crapped out, which it frequently did, I had a backup system already in place
3. I had a few multi-plex disc that I use to play either the right or left channel so that a singer could sing a duet by themselves. *ie the male part is in one channel and the famfemale lead is in the other, so you just had to select the proper channel and sing the other part*
4. The discs were my proof that I was attempting to be legal, and was the easiest way to keep the mentioned karaoke dealer off my back.

just my 2 cents, such as it is

-James

@ the sewer pipe...Looking forward to hearing you sing, Cheese. It should answer a lot of questions.

I'll make sure to make a big shout out to you before and maybe during the song.. just so you can't say it isn't me singing.

I understand crow tastes less gamey with a little A1.. you might find that tip coming in handy tomorrow.

Why don't you just record a song now and remove any doubt about who might actually be singing.....since you brought it up? I'll warm up my nostrils and try to sing the same song you sing but from a higher tiered manufacturer. It might not sound as good as your recording but hey! I'm singing in a sewer pipe.

Sweet, how many rounds is this 'bout scheduled for? I need to get the information to the sports books in Vegas. Is Lonman gonna be the referee? Can I request that Babs be recruited as the ring girl?

I'll be popping up plenty of popcorn and have plenty of beer and soda in the fridge, so if anyone wants to stop by, you're more than welcome . This is gonna be a great match up, I can't wait.

Man I'm loving this guys

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Oh no.. I want to make sure I record through the crappiest rig I have.. and that one is already loaded up in the van.

Yamaha EMX312SC running into two Yamaha S115V's, and just so I can talk to the crowd as i'm singing, i'll use the more beat up of my two Nady DKW-DUO wireless mics.

Taking the mix right off the EMX312SC's 'Record Out' and into my cheapo Behringer UCA200 and recording using the freeware PC program Audacity.

No Sonic Maximisers or Finalizers.. no fancy effects aside from the 'Karaoke' reverb built into the EMX312SC.

And just so it's extra fair.. i'll make sure I wait until i'm nice and drunk.

You on the other hand, feel free to use any and all tools available to you in your sonic arsenal. Being the aficionado that you are, with such a highly evolved ear, feel free to break out your AKG C-12 VR and your Soundcraft board, etc etc mix it all down in Pro Tools and run it through your 96K Finalizer.

Pull out all the stops, golden throat.

Did I NOT specify who my post was directed at?


Respectfully,

Tov

You obviously don't know me. How you would ever notice myself and my wife, or even just me, in one try I have no idea. Apparently you think you can read minds and have XRay eyes.

I on the other hand, by now know your hosting philosophy and disdain for your fellow man. It ain't a pretty picture.

Just your moniker shows your hubris. Assuming it is as in "the big" as opposed to "cut the".

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Alas for those who never sing, but die with all their music in them.
-- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.

Yes. I have such disdain for my fellow man that when they get to the bar late I put them to the top of the rotation. Because I don't like people.

I don't have disdain for my fellow man.. I have disdain for anal retentive attention whore types that suck all the fun out of the room with their unfounded egos and temper tantrums when someone deviates ever so slightly from their strict rules.

I have disdain for gear snobs. Like the best mic in the world is going to make a average singer sound any better. Or the backing track. Please.

I have disdain for people who presume to tell me how to run MY show, or insist that what i've been doing for over 10 years doesn't work when it absolutely does.

I don't like porn, either.. but it's a billion dollar a year industry. I don't presume just because *I* dislike something that it can't possibly work.

I fully acknowledge there are plenty of serious karaoke bars with strict rotations, full of serious karaoke singers, and many of those places are popular with those crowds, and those KJ's are successful.

More power to 'em.

And that's the difference between normal people and anal retentive people.

Normal people can say, "You know this is how I do things and what works for me" and other normal people might reply, "Ahh well I do it this way. To each their own."

Anal retentive people hear something they disagree with, and then attack it. Oh no, you suck, you have crappy sound, you're clearly don't know what you're talking about. You'll be out of work in a week with that attitude.

Jesus Christ.. some of you people need to relax.

POPCORN??!?!?!?!?!! YIPPIE!!!!!!!! GET YER POPCORN HERE!!!!!!!!!!

Well, for someone who's telling everyone to relax, I could point it right back at you.
You say that:
Hello, Pot?
Kettle calling!
You've actually PERSONALLY attacked people on here. I don't see a lot of others PERSONALLY attacking you.
Now is that called for?
You sure managed to get into a Pi$$ing contest with a lot of people on here.
Seems strange, coming from someone who claims, more or less, to have a live and let live attitude.
Just sayin!

Hey.. I entered this thread to say what kind of host I was, and how I ran my show.

The peanut gallery here decided to hogpile to tell me how 'wrong' I was.

Haha.. like you're the King of all that is Karaoke?

People saying, "Well i'd walk right out of a show like that!" .. well.. that's kinda the point.

Personal attacks? Wow.. if you take anything personal that someone says to you on an internet message board, you're even more unbalanced than I thought.

Who did I attack personally?

Perhaps you should scroll back through and read the thread starting from my first post here on page 2.

Got some fresh kettle corn . . . here, try some!

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Dave's not here.

How about Brucefanforlife?
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Anyway, my point is there's not need to get personal. As for saying things like" "I'd walk out of a show like that", that's hardly a PERSONAL attack. It's an opinion about how a show is run. It doesn't have to be YOUR show, but ANY show run that way.
Perhaps you need to grow some shoulders and not look to be so quick to attack. Anything I said about your post was my personal OPINION, especially when comparing it to what would happen if I tried the same at my show, and I stated as such. I would call that a comparison. What you obviously thinks works at your show would never fly at mine. That's just plain facts. Nothing personal about it.
It was you who took what I said out of context, made assumptions about my show, and got completely offended by what was said. Yes, I admit, I was miffed by your reaction, but when someone takes what I say out of context and tries to put words in my mouth by making assumptions, that kind of tends to happen.
My point?
Not sure I have one, except to say that personal attacks have no place here.

Oh no not me. I had a couple opinioned comments, but I am biting my tongue on most of this. But will join you for the beer & watch!

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I have no problem with Cheese's opinion of my singing. He's entitled to his opinion. We all hear different things when listening to the same thing. I've had enough people compliment my singing to be able handle Cheese's opinion without getting my feelings hurt. After all, he thinks that Music Maestro and SGB discs sound just fine. I never thought for a minute that my singing would appeal to EVERYONE. I'm just looking forward to hearing Cheese's recording later today. I'll be the first to admit that I was wrong if the guy can truly sing well.