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BruceFan4Life
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 10:48 am |
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Quite a few restaurants will cook something for you that is not on the menu if you make a request for something special. It's called customer service. I had one of the best hamburgers in my life at a place that didn't have hamburgers on the menu. They ground up a piece of beef(probably a decent steak) and made a hamburger for me. I guess I'm a food diva because I don't like steak but I love hamburgers. It always amazes me how a KJ can feel offended by a customer bringing in their own discs. If I like Country Music and the KJ doesn't have much of a calling for it from any of his other singers, why should he waste his mony on discs that will only be used by me? I'm not showing him up by bringing something that he doesn't have. I'm saving him money and he's gaining a regular customer. Nobody gets hurt. Everybody wins.
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letitrip
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 11:04 am |
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jamkaraoke @ Mon Aug 09, 2010 12:35 pm wrote: If you don't like the KJ's selection and equipment etc etc. DON'T GO TO THEIR SHOW plain and simple. If you don't like the menu at a certain restaurant do you keep going back and eventual start to bring your own food ??????
, I'm gonna have to try that!! Go to the butcher, buy a real nice New York Strip and then bring it with me when we go to my wife's favorite restaurant and ask them if they'll just cook it up for me I can see this now, walking in with my little cooler, break out the steak when the waitress takes our order, I wonder what the answer would be. For some reason I think it would be much like we're seeing on this thread. I bet some would do it and others would not. Some would be offended while others would think I'm weird or obsessive, while others would assume I had some good reason for it and see no problem with it.
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hiteck
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 11:17 am |
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letitrip @ Mon Aug 09, 2010 1:04 pm wrote: jamkaraoke @ Mon Aug 09, 2010 12:35 pm wrote: If you don't like the KJ's selection and equipment etc etc. DON'T GO TO THEIR SHOW plain and simple. If you don't like the menu at a certain restaurant do you keep going back and eventual start to bring your own food ?????? , I'm gonna have to try that!! Go to the butcher, buy a real nice New York Strip and then bring it with me when we go to my wife's favorite restaurant and ask them if they'll just cook it up for me I can see this now, walking in with my little cooler, break out the steak when the waitress takes our order, I wonder what the answer would be. For some reason I think it would be much like we're seeing on this thread. I bet some would do it and others would not. Some would be offended while others would think I'm weird or obsessive, while others would assume I had some good reason for it and see no problem with it.
Please take some video of that and post it for us to see
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jamkaraoke
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 11:47 am |
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jamkaraoke
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 1:33 pm |
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BruceFan4Life @ Mon Aug 09, 2010 1:48 pm wrote: Quite a few restaurants will cook something for you that is not on the menu if you make a request for something special. It's called customer service. I had one of the best hamburgers in my life at a place that didn't have hamburgers on the menu. They ground up a piece of beef(probably a decent steak) and made a hamburger for me. I guess I'm a food diva because I don't like steak but I love hamburgers. It always amazes me how a KJ can feel offended by a customer bringing in their own discs. If I like Country Music and the KJ doesn't have much of a calling for it from any of his other singers, why should he waste his mony on discs that will only be used by me? I'm not showing him up by bringing something that he doesn't have. I'm saving him money and he's gaining a regular customer. Nobody gets hurt. Everybody wins.
There is a big differance in asking for something that is not on the menu and bringing in your own food. For the record I understand customer who want to sing their own version of the song and don't get offened. I just CHOOSE not to offer that ability at my shows. Singers can either STAY and enjoy what I have to offer or LEAVE .... And if I had any type of DEMAND for a cdg player I would add one ..but currently I do not. Cart before the horse ? who knows maybe I would GAIN customers if I added a cdg player. But really ...shows are doing good --owners are happy and I get paid ... simply no reason to bring in another piece of equipment
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Cueball
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 1:37 pm |
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mrscott @ Mon Aug 09, 2010 10:40 am wrote: ... umm never buy Radio-Sh**k equipment for pro gear,, live and learn.
Yup... I don't trust Radio Shack as far as I can throw them. Yup as their motto goes, "You got questions, we got batteries."
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Cueball
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 1:39 pm |
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diamonddave @ Mon Aug 09, 2010 9:54 am wrote: I have taken my own mic's to a show usually a newone to test in a larger area have had no problems. and there were times the host had to use my mic's and cables (they forgot thiers) so I always carry at least two with cables with me. around here the hosts take care of the customers. Dave
The Host/KJ forgot their Mics and cables???? That not saying much for that person as a KJ. How does someone forget something like that?
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BigJer
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 1:55 pm |
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People have been bringing their own cdgs to karaoke shows for about as long as cdgs have been around. If you want to refuse to play them that is certainly your prerogative. It's your business.
Is it a good business decision? Decide for yourselves, but be certain that there will always be some karaoke hosts out there who WILL play customer's cdgs and there will be some singers who will decide not to come to your show if you say "no".
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Lonman
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 2:26 pm |
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jamkaraoke @ Mon Aug 09, 2010 12:47 pm wrote:
If that was their preference, so be it. I would try to deter them, but if they insisted, no prob.
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Lonman
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 2:28 pm |
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BigJer @ Mon Aug 09, 2010 2:55 pm wrote: People have been bringing their own cdgs to karaoke shows for about as long as cdgs have been around. If you want to refuse to play them that is certainly your prerogative. It's your business.
Laserdiscs too, still get a couple people that bring those in on rare occasion.
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c. staley
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 2:48 pm |
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theCheese @ Mon Aug 09, 2010 1:40 pm wrote: On a quasi-related note.. people who bring their own pool sticks to a bar are douchebags.
No, no.... those are "pool divas"..... Wanna play pool? Go to a pool hall...
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c. staley
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 2:58 pm |
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As far as a mic STAND is concerned; I don't use 'em.
But, I did have one yahoo that actually brought one in once..... and I told him that if he wanted to use it, he have to be willing to share and let everyone and anyone use it when they sing too....
He grudgingly complied.....
didn't like it one bit.....
and didn't come back.....
haven't missed him a bit either....
ACTUALLY, the only mic I will INSIST the "singer" provide is one for the harmonica they are going to play along with.... I don't let some harmonica idiot cup the mic around his spit-filled harmonica to blow as much spit into the mic foam as they can....
If they "surprise me" with one in the midst of the song.... the mic gets shut off, end of song....
I'm kind of a Nazi about this kind of stuff because my professional equipment is NOT their "playskool toy."
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diafel
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 3:04 pm |
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c. staley @ Mon Aug 09, 2010 3:48 pm wrote: theCheese @ Mon Aug 09, 2010 1:40 pm wrote: On a quasi-related note.. people who bring their own pool sticks to a bar are douchebags. No, no.... those are "pool divas"..... Wanna play pool? Go to a pool hall...
I guess I'm a pool diva (douchebag)too....
Thanks.
(We don't have pool halls here and our league, which I run, plays out of the local bars).
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Jian
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 3:04 pm |
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Nothing wrong with it. but it would be better if the mic is handled over when he make the song request. This give the KJ more time to set it up.
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jerry12x
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 3:05 pm |
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Bring their own mic's...
I have let them use keyboards, guitars and saxophones.
If they have a mic. they are proud of...
Why should I stop them enjoying it.
Hmmm.
Draw the line at a drum kit.
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Dr Fred
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 3:27 pm |
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letitrip @ Mon Aug 09, 2010 11:38 am wrote:
This just illustrates that you don't deal with experienced vocalists very often (and there's nothing wrong with that, you're a KJ for cryin' out loud). For most singers who become attached to a microphone to the point they'd bring it with them to a gig where mics are already provided, it's because that mic is like a safety blanket. They've probably identified something in the tone of their voice that they don't like or whatever and that mic is the one they feel matches up best to their vocals. It's has nothing to do with their opinion of your rig, it's all about them feeling that they'll only sound good on this one mic that they have.
An entirely false assumption. My town (Athens Georgia) has probably one of the higher concentrations of musicians relative to population of any city in the country. On many nights I get as many as 5 musicians who are depending on their music for a signfificant portion of their income. Often as many as half or more of my singers are current or former touring musicians. Expreienced musicians have experience with a wide range of equipment and can adapt. It is the novices that are going to be insecure and need a safety blanket.
But - not an audition for a job or anything. The 1% potential improvement in the sound is just an example of being a Diva. I also work at a bar with regular touring musicians, and only a tiny minority bring thier own mics for the vocal setup (drums and other insturments are another matter).
If I tried to make the singers use $10 mics then their might be an arguement, but any place that uses such cheap mics probably has other super-cheap equipment that would limit the sound quality from a good mic plugged into the system so hooking up a great mic to a junk system would not help it much.
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diafel
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 4:05 pm |
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Dr Fred @ Mon Aug 09, 2010 4:27 pm wrote: But - not an audition for a job or anything.
Right.
So why the 3 minute sound check for a mic?
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Dr Fred
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 4:44 pm |
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To prevent damage to equipment, but maily my experience with divas.
It is not just the time for the mic check.
When someone is so self important to demand that their own mic be used they are usually going to spend 2 of the 3 minutes I allocated getting their own mic ready to hand it off to the KJ. And no DIVAS do not get the mic ready in advance, and yes they will argue that they should get 2 turns for another 60 seconds after they sing before unplugging their mic.
I know it takes little time to get this all done, but in practice it takes a lot longer, and ususally the delay is due to the singer, not the KJ.
The vast majority of delays between singers in my experience is the singer themselves getting ready NOT the KJ. That delay is in my experience very often directly correlated with how much of a DIVA they are. Often I have singers who have patiently waited 2+ hours and they just don't enjoy the Diva attitude, even if the delay is 1 second.
We all make our shows cater to a target audience, I just happen to try to target mine AWAY from divas. I believe based on my crowd that DIVAS often reduce the enjoyment of the other people at the show. Some Divas learn to tone down their attitude to fit into the show, others go away.
It is just a matter of what works best with my crowd. I know that some divas can be very much disliked and drive many other people away from the show. It is a business decision.
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jeffsw6
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 7:26 pm |
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letitrip @ Mon Aug 09, 2010 10:38 am wrote: For most singers who become attached to a microphone to the point they'd bring it with them to a gig where mics are already provided, it's because that mic is like a safety blanket.
Maybe so, but certainly there are microphones that are good and bad for many vocalists, depending on their voice and mic technique (not to mention stage volume.)
I realize that you know this, but not everyone following the thread may understand that a $600 mic may be great for some singers/situations and worse than a $100 SM58 for many others.
Besides that, experienced singers get comfortable with certain model microphones not because it's a psychological "safety blanket," but because they know how to sing into that microphone the way they want. I know plenty of musicians who would rather have their own drums/bass rig/whatever than event-supplied backline, even if the supplied backline is technically superior to the musician's. Why? They want what they are used to playing on (or singing to.) Nothing wrong with that!
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