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Well it's like this...

I'm usually the nicest and most accomadating person there is but when it comes to these jerks who have no respect for you or your equipment, really gets to me. They shouldn't be allowed to sing, let alone near your equipment. Alot of these jerks go out of their way to obnoxious, rude, and disrespectful. They just want to show off their stupid a**.

So, once again, don't give them the opportunity. If they scream into a mike, they're cut. If they're drunk, they're cut. If they abuse the equipment in any way, they're cut. Run your show, don't let them run you.

And that's where the hostility comes from.

Alan, I'm with you 100 percent on your comments, THAT'S why I got the cheaper wireless mics. In an earlier post I told of 4 JERKS that I had to 86 from singing for all of the reasons you gave. But I am too experienced with my own personality to know that I won't tolerate someone ruining a mic that cost alot of money. The difference being (as I stated earlier) I can control my temper and 86 the guys for breaking, or abusing a 20.00 mic, but I would DEFINATELY be going to jail if I had a 4 or 6 hundred dollar mic, and some jerk would just scream into it, and when I cut the mic he would throw it on the floor. People would be calling 911, as out would come "The Beast" from Revelations and I would be choking someone to death. NOW THAT'S HOSTILITY!!!! I am very good at controlling (the beast), but try to limit the temptation to release him. Hence, the 20.00 mics. (Hope I didn't scare anyone), I'm REALLY a nice person.

Rosario

In our case, I can only name one instance where the person lost their temper and slammed the mic down on purpose. All of the rest of the times were accidents and not necessarily by overly drunk people. It is just the nature of the beast that some people might be nervous and not think clearly about what they are doing and they end up fumbling the mic. Many look genuinely stricken and are very apologetic when it happens.

YMMV

I will never recommend we buy wireless mics again. I think we've gone through 6 in the last 9 years? Maybe 8?

Dropped, stolen, destroyed, you name it we've had everything imaginable happen to our wireless mics. Constantly cycling out batteries. Batteries dying in the middle of peoples performances. No more. Done with it.

So from now on it's nothing but 2 SM58's. Worst thing that happens... People twist the XLR cable till the wires break off inside. That's an easy 10 minute fix with a soldering iron.

In my area, there's a NEW TREND, where the singer finishes the song, and just drops the mic on the floor and walks off. Hasn't happened to me yet, but I've seen it done several times at another show, and have talked to other hosts in my area that said it has happened to them also. Most of my "regular" crowd is 30 and over, so I don't get too much of the "new trend" stuff, but when there's something going on in town and I get some new people, the trouble seems to come in with it. So if I get any mic droppers, I'll just 86 them.

Rosario

5 years using Sennheiser 835 wirelesses and not one failure yet. being all metal, even though they have hit the floor countless times (and one even been thrown across the bar a at a guy flirting while his gf was singing) even the grills are so much stronger i havent replaced them yet. i would buy them again in a minute. i did notice that with the nadys, the two mics have slightly different sounds, have you noticed anything like that? just curious

I love the 835 sound -- if I ever need to replace my Shures (not holding my breath on that) I will look at them.


Oh definitely. Poor off-axis response is my main problem with cheap mics. No consistency -- you can't know how to hold the mic, how far you can hold it away, etc.

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Almost all of the reviews of Nadys I have read on Musician's Friend and other sites mention the difference in sound or strength of sound between the two in each set. Some even got sets with one that didn't work at all.

We had one in our set that wasn't as loud as the other so we used it as the announcing mic. We had to switch it to be the singing mic last night due to the other one finally starting to have trouble from all of the drops. I had trouble getting enough volume out of it but then I'm not the usual person running the board and just stepped in as a replacement when my boyfriend had to work a night shift. He may have had better luck with it.

But yes--different sound between the two can be part of the Nady experience.

So far, both of mine work, haven't had them long enough to gauge if one is stronger than the other, but I'm sure I'll deal with that if it arises. If I get a years worth of use out of them, I'll be quite happy.

Rosario

For the record, I have 2 of the Shure PG288 dual kits (4 Mics total), and all of the mics came factory set to the same level. Additionally, after tweaking, all four adjustable levels are set in the same spot and the result at the console is all four levels are identical. I can literally swap the mic cables around and not experience any issues. Complete consistency across all the mics and their receivers.

By way of comparison I previously had the Vocopro UHF-5800's. There was one out of the four that never had the same level nor fidelity of the other three. I had to bring it's level control all the way up while the other three were at about 65-75% and it still never had the audio quality of the others.

There is something to be said for quality manufacturing and QA processes.

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If you really have a rowdy type crowd ..stick with the Nadys. If you feel your singers are more of the casual singer and are not that particuliar of sound...stick with the Nadys. ( The AKG are better sounding - no question --but the Nadys IMHO are decent sounding for MOST ) Cost wise eventually the AKG's even out or are actually cheaper the longer you have them. But I understand it's easier to replace a $50 set when some drunk destroys it then a $300 one . I am in the same situation. -- So it's up to you ..... I sang and ran a succesful show using the Nadys for years. Am I happy I purchased the AKG's ... well they sound bettter no questions... As long as no one destroys them ..THE ANSWER WILL BE YES

We also use ours for kid shows. The teens actually seem to be more comfortable holding the mics than alot of people at the adult shows so we don't worry about them. But we also have some tiny tiny kids who aren't that coordinated yet. I could see having a bomb-proof SM58 for them except they are sort of awkward around the cords, too, so wireless is easier for them. Plus the Nadys are very light. But so far the kids have been more careful than some of the adults.

Let me mention that SM58's aren't exactly the nail driver they're made out to be, either.

They're definitely more resilient than your garden variety cheapo mic.. but they're far from indestructible, and replacement capsules cost about the same as a whole new mic.

I was at a karaoke once where a pretty good singer had the wireless mic.
He went all round the room singing.
Towards the end of the song he made his way to the back of the room.

Then did a runner with it.

I call bullsh!t on this one. To the end that no mic is 100% indestructible, the SM58's are far and away as close as you can get. I've seen just about every bit of abuse imaginable happen to these things and have yet to see one quit working as a result. Seriously, I've NEVER thrown one away. We've got 58's (both SM's and Betas) that have been run over by a truck, dropped in a bucket of mop water, used to break ice off a block, dropped from 40' light rigging (don't ask, long story), stepped on by a belgian horse and even left sitting on a flash box when it was detonated.

Now I'll admit, I've never personally pounded a nail into a 2x4 with a 58 but I've seen it done and seen it come through with only a small dent to the grill.

By way of comparison we used to have the parts from a 835 that was run over by a skid loader. Crushed the screen into the element which then shattered, destroyed the mic. I've also watched as a too cool for school death metal wannabe threw an 840 to the deck and the screen went flying four rows out. I've even seen an AKG D5 go to crap after the mic stand was simply knocked over. Never did figure out what went wrong exactly but the resulting distortion said it all.

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Plus Shure will replace any 58 for $54 if by chance it ever does die with a brand new one, not just a repair - which i've never seen one fail in 30 years as well. I am about to get 2 replaced not because they don't work - still work great since 94, but the barrel where the mic clip is so worn that it won't hold a mic cord anymore.

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