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diafel
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Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 10:38 am |
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srnitynow @ Fri Aug 20, 2010 11:30 am wrote: Jam, this IS a "regular" show, but I think I'm getting better at it, I think I cut about 3 minutes off the last set-up time. At that rate, in a year, I should be close to an hour for set-up. Rosario
When you factor in your set up and tear down time, what do you make - like $2/hour?
Yikes!
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jclaydon
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Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 10:42 am |
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Letitrip:if i win the lottery this week can I pay you to come out and show me how it's done?
My setup/breakdown depends on if I have help or not. To set up everything including my 4bar and one moonflower light and to tape down all the wires by myself takes me 2 hours.
The majority of the time wasted is due to the fact that I have severe mobility issues and have a really hard time getting up and down to do all the taping. Plus I have a lot of extra wires to set up because I have to connect my laptop and cdg player to an a/v switch.
Breakdown takes me anywhere between 1 1/2 hours to 1:45 depending on how much energy i have that day.
-James
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ripman8
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Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 10:57 am |
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letitrip @ Thu Aug 19, 2010 8:57 pm wrote: Half-hour in, half hour out. Seriously, unless I'm putting up the truss (which takes a lot more time, mostly due to more wiring required) my combined load-in and setup time for the complete rig with lights on trees is 30 minutes. Tear down and load out, with everything properly and neatly put away, packed in the van correctly and ready to roll down the road, another 30 minutes.
For me there are a few keys to this. First is having as many things ready to connect or already connected as possible. I have 6 receivers in my wireless rack that get connected to the mixer. All the cables are plugged into the receivers at all times, loomed together and all I have to do is take off the covers, pull them out and plug them in. Second key is having a system. I know exactly what cords, cables, etc. I'm using for what, I take them all out of the cable bin first and lay them (or toss them) near where they need to go. I do one area at a time, working from one side of the "stage" to the other. On tear down I am equally methodical and I don't dilly dally. If people come up to talk, I talk to them while I'm still wrapping, folding, collapsing, whatever. The third key for me is practice. Working stages for bands I've learned how to tear this stuff down fast. At festivals, where you have multiple bands coming on and off, we can have our bands off the deck completely, 10 minutes after the last song ends. I'm very quick at wrapping cables and cords in the proper fashion and that definitely helps.
Scarey. well maybe. I too toss my cables out. However, I get my layout done first and then toss the cables to them. No, they never catch them.
I'm getting better and faster at wrapping cords. All Mic cords (I use powered PAs, sub) are in one stack, all extensions are in the other with the power cords in a stack between. All fit in the top tray of my gator bag.
In my business, standardizing everything eliminates waste and mistakes.
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mckyj57
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Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:20 pm |
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ripman8 @ Fri Aug 20, 2010 1:57 pm wrote: I'm getting better and faster at wrapping cords. All Mic cords (I use powered PAs, sub) are in one stack, all extensions are in the other with the power cords in a stack between. All fit in the top tray of my gator bag.
In my business, standardizing everything eliminates waste and mistakes.
On my small rig, with 15" powered speakers, I have all the XLR cables on a hose reel. The first three are lifetime warranty Hosa for my SM58s and Beta 58, the next 8 are Whirlwind for speakers (two mains, one mon). When I "wind" them up, I do it with a crank. Something like this:
http://tinyurl.com/2clwlzs
but without the stand.
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Paradigm Karaoke
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Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:29 pm |
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Joined: Thu Aug 12, 2010 6:24 pm Posts: 5107 Location: Phoenix Az Been Liked: 1279 times
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pulling up to the door to playing music, 7-10 minutes.
everything is prewierd in the rack, all the lappy cables are tied together in a "snake" and the Bose is up in 2 minutes. all wireless so no cables to run, one power cable for the rack, one for the bose, and one for the receiver on the bose. tear down takes a few more minutes, but not much. total time on a bad night, 30mins tops
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masterblaster
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Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:52 pm |
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My standard mobile rig takes about 30 min to set up, and 20 min or so to tear down and load. One of my clubs has a "semi-permanent" setup, so it only takes about 10 minutes each.
After ten years, I have a "system", and I always do everything the same way. and in the same order. On the rare occasions I've had "help", it takes longer
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Alex
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Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 1:24 pm |
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My regular gigs take me about 30-45 minutes to set up, depending on chit chatting with regulars in between or not. When I do my once a month outside show I have alittle more equipment, so somewhere between 45-60 minutes to set up. Tearing down is usually about 10-20 minutes faster than the set up time.
So I usually be at my regular shows an hour before start and my outside gig 1.5 hours before start. I like to have some security cushion in my time frame.
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DJMojo
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Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 1:47 pm |
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Joined: Sat Dec 29, 2007 8:08 am Posts: 250 Location: The Great State of Tennessee Been Liked: 1 time
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17 minutes. I just timed myself. But I must admit, this is my regular friday DJ gig, so no audio/video monitors,books,mics,ect. I just roll in, hook up a few cables to my rack, and I'm ready to rock.
At the same venue I would say karaoke doubles my setup time.
Most mobile events(weddings,ect.) take atleast an hour(or more) to setup. Seems lighting is what takes most of the time. When possible, I like to setup early in case there is an issue with the system, this way I have ample time to resolve the problem.
Mojo
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ripman8
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Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 2:06 pm |
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mckyj57 @ Fri Aug 20, 2010 2:20 pm wrote: ripman8 @ Fri Aug 20, 2010 1:57 pm wrote: I'm getting better and faster at wrapping cords. All Mic cords (I use powered PAs, sub) are in one stack, all extensions are in the other with the power cords in a stack between. All fit in the top tray of my gator bag.
In my business, standardizing everything eliminates waste and mistakes. On my small rig, with 15" powered speakers, I have all the XLR cables on a hose reel. The first three are lifetime warranty Hosa for my SM58s and Beta 58, the next 8 are Whirlwind for speakers (two mains, one mon). When I "wind" them up, I do it with a crank. Something like this: http://tinyurl.com/2clwlzsbut without the stand.
I have 2 of those I use for my 100 foot extension cords for yard work. Work pretty good but wouldn't fit in my gator.
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ripman8
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Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 2:07 pm |
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Paradigm Karaoke @ Fri Aug 20, 2010 2:29 pm wrote: pulling up to the door to playing music, 7-10 minutes. everything is prewierd in the rack, all the lappy cables are tied together in a "snake" and the Bose is up in 2 minutes. all wireless so no cables to run, one power cable for the rack, one for the bose, and one for the receiver on the bose. tear down takes a few more minutes, but not much. total time on a bad night, 30mins tops
Very impressive. Do you use a sub and/or a sound monitor? Are those wireless as well?
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timberlea
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Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:19 pm |
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Joined: Wed Sep 04, 2002 12:41 pm Posts: 4094 Location: Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada Been Liked: 309 times
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About 20 minutes for the two of us, not rushing, taking our time. We have done it in about 12 minutes (truck broke down before a wedding 4 hours out of town on a Sunday and luckily managed to rent a minivan. How we got everything to fit is still a mystery) and everything went great.
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jerry12x
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Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 7:39 pm |
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OK I have to ask.
What is the correct way to wind a cable.
I have been reducing by half, then by half again
till I knot it.
Guess that's not how it's done?
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jerry12x
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Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 8:12 pm |
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I had nearly forgot.
25 years ago when I set up with my Peavey, midifex and tape deck.
15 min.
Most of that was gaffering cables cos I did the sound out front.
Girl singer. Then did small karaoke.
Pocket songs cassettes were the only things available.
I would copy each track onto it's own mini cassette.
(Recorded on both sides)
Yes I did do my apprenticeship.
Then I introduced par 56's.
25 min.
Then I created a monster.
90 min.
I was a lot faster then.
Was well paid back then.
Infact I enjoyed it much more back in the 80's.
Not everyone was doing it.
EDIT: I used to key change using a Boss guitar pitch shift pedal.
Pretty bad on it's own, but fantastic when used with an
Aphex Aurel exciter.
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diafel
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Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 10:40 pm |
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jerry12x @ Fri Aug 20, 2010 8:39 pm wrote: OK I have to ask. What is the correct way to wind a cable. I have been reducing by half, then by half again till I knot it.
Guess that's not how it's done?
http://cnettv.cnet.com/wind-store-your- ... 71977.html
I don't do the "tougher audio wire wrap". I wrap all my cables like he shows in the first example, and for the exact reason he states. You won't break the wires inside. I also use velcro cord ties for all my cables, like these: http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=16856
except I picked up mine at the Dollarama Store (12 /$1). I saw them and bought about 20 packs or so. Hubby uses them as well. Very handy.
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jclaydon
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Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 12:31 am |
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diafel @ Fri Aug 20, 2010 10:40 pm wrote: jerry12x @ Fri Aug 20, 2010 8:39 pm wrote: OK I have to ask. What is the correct way to wind a cable. I have been reducing by half, then by half again till I knot it.
Guess that's not how it's done? http://cnettv.cnet.com/wind-store-your- ... 71977.htmlI don't do the "tougher audio wire wrap". I wrap all my cables like he shows in the first example, and for the exact reason he states. You won't break the wires inside. I also use velcro cord ties for all my cables, like these: http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=16856except I picked up mine at the Dollarama Store (12 /$1). I saw them and bought about 20 packs or so. Hubby uses them as well. Very handy.
weird that is exactly how I try to wind my cables but it never works out 100% for me. No matter which way i wind them, the cord always wants to wind the opposite way *If I loop it left handed it wants to go right etc* altho I have to admit, I didn't know you were supposed to unwind them the exact same way you wind them..
Another 'interesting' thing is it doesn't seem to matter how neatly i pack everything, as soon as I move the cord case, everthing winds up as one big jumbled mess *spend 10 minutes tryring to separate everything*
-James
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diafel
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Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 1:06 am |
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jclaydon @ Sat Aug 21, 2010 1:31 am wrote: weird that is exactly how I try to wind my cables but it never works out 100% for me. No matter which way i wind them, the cord always wants to wind the opposite way *If I loop it left handed it wants to go right etc* altho I have to admit, I didn't know you were supposed to unwind them the exact same way you wind them..
Another 'interesting' thing is it doesn't seem to matter how neatly i pack everything, as soon as I move the cord case, everthing winds up as one big jumbled mess *spend 10 minutes tryring to separate everything*
-James
Some times, if you pinch the cord between your thumb and forefinger (non holding hand) and give it a tiny little "roll" between them, it helps to settle to cord down to where it should be. Like the guy said, though, the free end needs to really be free, and every now and again it helps to toss it out a little to help it unwind so as to avoid tangles and such. The more you wind them correctly, the more they will eventually just want to go that way and stay that way once you've wound them.
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Paradigm
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Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 1:47 am |
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ripman8 @ Fri Aug 20, 2010 3:07 pm wrote: Paradigm Karaoke @ Fri Aug 20, 2010 2:29 pm wrote: pulling up to the door to playing music, 7-10 minutes. everything is prewierd in the rack, all the lappy cables are tied together in a "snake" and the Bose is up in 2 minutes. all wireless so no cables to run, one power cable for the rack, one for the bose, and one for the receiver on the bose. tear down takes a few more minutes, but not much. total time on a bad night, 30mins tops Very impressive. Do you use a sub and/or a sound monitor? Are those wireless as well?
the bose has 2 subs, powered directly off of the power base so i mis-spoke...add 2 12" speakon cables for the subs. . the way the speaker works, the sound covers every bit of the room so well, we have not needed monitors in any bar we have done. definately makes things much easier to set up and tear down. things are done a bit differently in Phoenix than we did in Chicago as well, we have the speaker next to the biggest tv and people end up facing the speaker head on. half the time they dont know that that stick they barely see is the speaker this is what i use
http://www.bose.com/controller?url=/sho ... ss_pkg.jsp
just put one sub on either side instead of stacked like they did for the pic, and you got our setup. when they are right next to the power base it looks rather amusingly phallic.
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letitrip
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Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 6:07 am |
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The over-under technique is the "proper" way. http://vimeo.com/741571
The nice thing about the over-under (and can even work with the over-over showed in the other video) is that when done correctly, all you need to do is grab the end that was wrapped last and toss the rest of the coil out a way from you and it will uncoil in a nice straight line (no knots, kinks, etc). So not only is it good for the cables, it's also what makes it easier to re-deploy the next time. When I wrap mine, I always start at the female end (the source end) and wrap to the male end of my mic cables. Then I know which end was wrapped last and it's perfect so I can be at the console or snake head and toss the coil toward whatever source it is that I'm going to be connecting.
It might look complicated in the video, but I can tell you with practice, you can get very quick at this. When I started, I actually practiced in my garage with some 30 ft cables. Just rolling them and then tossing them over and over again to build up my speed. Between that and regular gigging now, I can do either the over-under or the over-over very quickly.
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igh70
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Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 7:21 am |
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Normally 25 minutes from the time I park the car till sound check. Last night I had to work late and ended up getting to my show late as well and was able to get done in 15 minutes. Sweat was dripping!
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JayM8377
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Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 7:44 am |
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It takes me roughly a half hour to set up and break down.
My system consists of:
-DJ Road case mounted with mixer board, wireless mic receiver, and power distributor.
-4 Behringer 15" powered speakers (downgrading to 12's soon. Those things are a pain to lug around and personally, I notice no difference in sound)
-2 Hydraulic speaker stands
-Flatscreen monitor and stand
-Wireless mic case
-Plastic bin containing all wires and power cords
-Fold-up table
The most difficult part is lugging the 4 speakers. Other than that, it's a breeze. My system certainly isn't top-of-the-line, but it's efficient and it rocks the house every time.
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