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diafel @ Sat Aug 21, 2010 1:40 am wrote:
http://cnettv.cnet.com/wind-store-your-cables/9742-1_53-50071977.html I wrap all my cables like he shows in the first example, and for the exact reason he states.


I do it the same way...was taught this method by a sound man when I was just a teen.

jclaydon @ Sat Aug 21, 2010 3:31 am wrote:
weird that is exactly how I try to wind my cables but it never works out 100% for me. No matter which way i wind them, the cord always wants to wind the opposite way *If I loop it left handed it wants to go right etc* altho I have to admit, I didn't know you were supposed to unwind them the exact same way you wind them..

Another 'interesting' thing is it doesn't seem to matter how neatly i pack everything, as soon as I move the cord case, everthing winds up as one big jumbled mess *spend 10 minutes tryring to separate everything*

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If after you lay the winded cable down it springs out into a jumble, then you arent letting the cable twist (or making it twist) naturally with your thumb/forefinger as mentioned above.

One very important thing that he just touched on in the video is the importance of stretching the cable out before you start, especially with long cables. You cannot just throw it in a pile and start with this method. I have 50 foot, 12 gauge Speakons and I have to stretch them across the room first or I would never be able to properly do this type of wind. Even so I still have to give the loose end a "whip" to let it unwind periodically as I go.

Also, if you inherited cables that were wound wrong multiple times (like the old "around the elbow" cable killer), they may have a lot of internal twisting and will never wind up properly no matter how good your technique.


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letitrip @ Sat Aug 21, 2010 8:07 am wrote:
The over-under technique is the "proper" way. http://vimeo.com/741571

The nice thing about the over-under (and can even work with the over-over showed in the other video) is that when done correctly, all you need to do is grab the end that was wrapped last and toss the rest of the coil out a way from you and it will uncoil in a nice straight line (no knots, kinks, etc). So not only is it good for the cables, it's also what makes it easier to re-deploy the next time. When I wrap mine, I always start at the female end (the source end) and wrap to the male end of my mic cables. Then I know which end was wrapped last and it's perfect so I can be at the console or snake head and toss the coil toward whatever source it is that I'm going to be connecting.

It might look complicated in the video, but I can tell you with practice, you can get very quick at this. When I started, I actually practiced in my garage with some 30 ft cables. Just rolling them and then tossing them over and over again to build up my speed. Between that and regular gigging now, I can do either the over-under or the over-over very quickly.




I learned the over/under from this forum. It took me awhile but I'm pretty good at it now. I do it exactly as letitrip describes.

I also use the same velcro ties as Diafel describes. I get mine at Walmaert for just a few pennies more. I use all the ties during the show as well, wrapping cords to stand poles and so forth.

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hmm maybe i just need more practice. In the meantime I think I'll go to the 'local' equipment supolier and see if there is anyone there that can teach me.. I'd love to be able to take a proper mixing course too, but just can't justify the expense right now :(


ah well, thanks for posting everyone. This is probably the most informative place I have found in quite a while..


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letitrip @ Sat Aug 21, 2010 8:07 am wrote:
The over-under technique is the "proper" way. http://vimeo.com/741571

The nice thing about the over-under (and can even work with the over-over showed in the other video) is that when done correctly, all you need to do is grab the end that was wrapped last and toss the rest of the coil out a way from you and it will uncoil in a nice straight line (no knots, kinks, etc). So not only is it good for the cables, it's also what makes it easier to re-deploy the next time. When I wrap mine, I always start at the female end (the source end) and wrap to the male end of my mic cables. Then I know which end was wrapped last and it's perfect so I can be at the console or snake head and toss the coil toward whatever source it is that I'm going to be connecting.

It might look complicated in the video, but I can tell you with practice, you can get very quick at this. When I started, I actually practiced in my garage with some 30 ft cables. Just rolling them and then tossing them over and over again to build up my speed. Between that and regular gigging now, I can do either the over-under or the over-over very quickly.


That is the video link I was trying to remember...thanks for posting.
I saw that video a while back and practiced while watching...picked it up in a snap! :)

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jclaydon @ Sun Aug 22, 2010 2:37 pm wrote:
hmm maybe i just need more practice. In the meantime I think I'll go to the 'local' equipment supolier and see if there is anyone there that can teach me.. I'd love to be able to take a proper mixing course too, but just can't justify the expense right now :(


ah well, thanks for posting everyone. This is probably the most informative place I have found in quite a while..


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I learned from the video, while watching I brought a 50 foot xlr out. (size probably not that important) and practiced at home til I got it. Occasionally I get one that twists a bit and I go back to that loop and twist it correctly. The posters above gave very good tips and advice. Just practice that, you will be better at it the next time, then a bit better the next time, and so on.

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