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letitrip
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 12:30 pm |
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I think an important point here is that each of us can make our mark with a singer in any number of ways, and ultimately that's how you build a good crowd and following. You can do it by having props, you can do it by playing fun games or giving away prizes, you can do it by just being a professional, you can do it by playing or not playing dance music, and there are many other ways. Let's face it, we're all looking to set ourselves apart from the next guy, that's what gives us a competitive edge.
For me, all those "bells and whistles" are one of the things that set me apart from the others. Not just in terms of quality but in terms of capability. I've gotten feedback from regulars that they've gone to another show and really missed having the wireless mics (all mine are wireless). There's a woman that always sings "Black Horse and a Cherry Tree" at my shows. I use the delay to not only add the effects that are on the album version but also to add in my own little "spice" to the song. She has commented to me how much she misses it when she goes to others shows where they can't/don't do that. I've also heard from singers about how they usually go to karaoke at X bar and that it's hard to understand the singers and that they really like that at my show the words are clear and understandable when people are singing. Now, is any one of these things going to cause these people to come to my show and not go to the others? No, obviously they are still going to those other shows too. However, each thing IS something that they remember and like about my show that encourages them to come back. THAT is important and the more things you can do to be memorable (in a good way) to the singers, the better a following you can build.
So again, equipment is not the end-all be-all of a successful show, there are many other ways to build a successful show. However, let's not be dismissive of the ability of your equipment to be a competitive edge and difference maker.
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Bazza
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 12:49 pm |
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A karaoke show, like a band, is the sum of it's parts. The sound system is just part of that equation. A good sound system will not make up for a boring, name calling show.
There is always room for improvement on every facet of the show. Imagine how much better the guy you saw could be WITH a good system.
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jerry12x
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 1:20 pm |
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Bazza @ Thu Oct 07, 2010 8:49 pm wrote: Imagine how much better the guy you saw could be WITH a good system.
Awesome I recon.
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jeffsw6
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 1:28 pm |
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letitrip @ Thu Oct 07, 2010 10:20 am wrote: People choose a Karaoke show for a lot of reasons.
+1
Sound / performance quality is what I care most about, and the singers that come to my shows do so because they know they'll sound better with me than anyone else in town. Having singers who care a lot about the quality of their performance attracts a crowd that can sing and enjoy others' performances, which works really well for me.
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Paradigm Karaoke
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 1:54 pm |
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i have a group that i know drive about 30 mins to come see me, and they have said on more than one occasion, they sound better than anywhere else with us. but another takes just as long of a drive because we treated him almost like a friend from the first night. two completely different reasons. most people have something they look for in a show to make them come back, and a few dont care about anything (crap gear, crap selection, crap personality, and still running a show with 20 singers).
i admit my wife is the better personality of us and i also need to work on improving that part of myself at the show like mrscott, but please dont read too much into 1 opinion. you have a following for a reason so you're doing something right. and concider this, if you want to have a steak, Dennys can cook a steak. not a great piece of meat, not a great way to cook it, but it serves the purpose. like that guys basic system. you can go to Dennys, and many people do, or you can go to lone star, or outback with better steaks and a better way of cooking them. both places "serve the purpose" but given you have a choice, which would you prefer?
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mrscott
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 2:13 pm |
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Paradigm Karaoke @ Thu Oct 07, 2010 2:54 pm wrote: i have a group that i know drive about 30 mins to come see me, and they have said on more than one occasion, they sound better than anywhere else with us. but another takes just as long of a drive because we treated him almost like a friend from the first night. two completely different reasons. most people have something they look for in a show to make them come back, and a few dont care about anything (crap gear, crap selection, crap personality, and still running a show with 20 singers). i admit my wife is the better personality of us and i also need to work on improving that part of myself at the show like mrscott, but please dont read too much into 1 opinion. you have a following for a reason so you're doing something right. and concider this, if you want to have a steak, Dennys can cook a steak. not a great piece of meat, not a great way to cook it, but it serves the purpose. like that guys basic system. you can go to Dennys, and many people do, or you can go to lone star, or outback with better steaks and a better way of cooking them. both places "serve the purpose" but given you have a choice, which would you prefer?
Oh, of course having it ALL, selection, personality, good food, great prices, fun atmosphere great sound included, is definitely preferred over some of the alternatives. What I am saying here is, having all the bells and whistles of a sound system will not make or break a show. It might however gain an occasional singer who demands high quality sound. We call those people "Divas" hehe. And they are not "paramount" to the success of a karaoke show. In fact they might be a detriment to the success of a show, that is a matter of opinion tho. And also for another thread.
What I am really saying is this, karaoke is a "people" business, it's not about the gear. And that is where "I" have made my mistakes. I made it about selection, sound, service, professionalism, fairness of rotation,, but forgot the "people". For that I am changing how I choose to view myself and how I host. Thats all I am saying. Not to take anything away from what I have done, but I can and WILL do better.
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jerry12x
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 2:25 pm |
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Quote: The system was as simple as simple can be, 2 powered Behringer speakers, a small Behringer mixing board, one microphone for the singers, a small flat screen TV and a netbook computer.
Something has been bugging me about this.
Why can't his gear sound good?
I have worked with lesser gear and made it sound very good.
I think there are many on here that could do the same.
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mrscott
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 2:43 pm |
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jerry12x @ Thu Oct 07, 2010 3:25 pm wrote: Quote: The system was as simple as simple can be, 2 powered Behringer speakers, a small Behringer mixing board, one microphone for the singers, a small flat screen TV and a netbook computer. Something has been bugging me about this. Why can't his gear sound good? I have worked with lesser gear and made it sound very good. I think there are many on here that could do the same.
Jerry, if you look at it this way, from a gear standpoint,, no effects, no floor monitor, no EQing, muffled muddy sound,,,,yet he STILL had a pretty good turnout for a wednesday night. He did sound as good as he could with the gear and the layout. However, maybe simply adding some of those "bells and whistles" might have made a difference in sound, but who would have cared?,,, probably not one person in that room except for me, who is overly critical of the sound. But no one else seemed to even care.
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jerry12x
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 3:03 pm |
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Hmmm.
Ok it seems that this guy could not make decent gear sound good then.
Must be a really good front guy.
I do sound and lighting. Am not really a people guy.
I am the host that needs a host. (always knew that)
OK. Any host in UK Bolton / Manchester fancy a job?
You Mr.Scott have learnt something.
I on the other hand will keep making the same mistakes.
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exweedfarmer
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 3:18 pm |
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mrscott:
I certainly support and commend your new found wisdom, but even I wouldn't use the system you described. May I suggest a further experiment? Go out and get knee walking drunk (for some of us it is a lifestyle) and sing karaoke. Stagger a mile in their shoes. Leave that idea of "Professionalism" in the dumpster. There is nothing about karaoke that is "Professional." That's the whole idea of karaoke, try, fail, try again.
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jerry12x
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 3:30 pm |
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exweedfarmer @ Thu Oct 07, 2010 11:18 pm wrote: mrscott: but even I wouldn't use the system you described.
Hmmm
Comfort zone.
I love a challenge.
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mrscott
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 3:34 pm |
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exweedfarmer @ Thu Oct 07, 2010 4:18 pm wrote: mrscott:
I certainly support and commend your new found wisdom, but even I wouldn't use the system you described. May I suggest a further experiment? Go out and get knee walking drunk (for some of us it is a lifestyle) and sing karaoke. Stagger a mile in their shoes. Leave that idea of "Professionalism" in the dumpster. There is nothing about karaoke that is "Professional." That's the whole idea of karaoke, try, fail, try again.
Weed,, two things come to mind here... firs I don't drink,, EVER,, and second,, there is no "try",, To "try" means you give yourself a reason to fail. There is only "do" or "do not" nothing in between. Do this as an experiment.. "try" to pick up a pen... you either can or can't, do or don't,,,, there is no "try". But failures "will and do" lead to success.
What does that have to do with karaoke you ask? Well, I "tried" and didn't "do"... So now I am committed to "do". My show has "tried" and failed...now it's time to "do" and succeed.
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jerry12x
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 3:50 pm |
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Good for you Scotty.
Now beam me up.
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jerry12x
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 3:54 pm |
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jerry12x @ Thu Oct 07, 2010 11:50 pm wrote: Good for you Scotty. Now beam me up.
Oh god he did.
Now I look like a fly...
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ripman8
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 4:31 pm |
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mrscott @ Thu Oct 07, 2010 1:21 am wrote: Tonight I decided to go to a competitors show for a while to see what the fuss was all about. This guy is sponsoring a karaoke contest in 2 different places at one time (different nights tho) I have a friend who I suggested she join the contest because she is a talented singer. I don't know who is paying the prize money, and honestly it doesn't matter. I learned a couple of very interesting and important facts about our industry. What really matters to the success of a karaoke show...First of all, and this is going to tinkle some people off in here, me included. But the equipment isn't that important. I asked my friend, who is a very talented and gifted singer, a very simple question. "Does the equipment that the host has make or break your decision on where you sing?" I was shocked at her answer, she simply said "No" After all the money I have spent on providing good sound and quality equipment for my singers to sing on, and all they want is to be able to perform in front of an audience. Simple as that. What mic we use, the fact that we add compression, EQ'ing, subs, high dollar sound systems,, and NONE of it really matters. What they want is simply to be heard by an audience. The only ones who care about the sound quality is "US" as so called "professional" hosts. We are our own worst critics, not the crowds or singers. We beat ourselves up about having the best mics, speakers, and systems. This show I attended was hosted by a company who is hosted by a 2 partners. The system was as simple as simple can be, 2 powered Behringer speakers, a small Behringer mixing board, one microphone for the singers, a small flat screen TV and a netbook computer. NO players, no eq, no compression, no fancy lights, bells or whistles of any kind. AND IT WAS A SUCCESS. Makes me feel foolish knowing I spent literally thousands of dollars on being the host who has the fanciest equipment around, but not having the most successful show.
The second thing I learned is WHY it was successful. The owners/hosts have been in the business for at least 10 years, probably longer, and have built a clientele of singers and followers. They build it through the "personal touch". And that is something I have failed to do Although, I have done it to a certain degree, I can and will do better. Through making the show ALL about the singer/customers, a personal experience, that is how to build a base. Lonnie has done a great job of doing this, and so have many of you out there. But it is something I have lacked doing. Sending emails, texts or personal invites is a huge building tool. Making each individual feel like they are part of your circle of friends, and feeling welcome. That is where I am going to work on things. As each of us should.
We should be our own worst critics. It shows we care. Having great equipment is only part of the equation of course, but it's there.
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ripman8
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 4:39 pm |
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There is nothing about karaoke that is "Professional." That's the whole idea of karaoke, try, fail, try again.
Wow, now that is powerful. This is good stuff for those who secretly want to sing but are too nervous to do so.
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Marble
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 4:48 pm |
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In my local area there are very few good (in my opinion) shows, the main influence on my choice is the host, but the hosts with a great personality in my area have some strange habits, I walked into one show to find the speakers on the floor
others dawdle through rotation and/or pick favourites.
I also left a show, because a host was getting feedback continously (though quailty equipement I can only dream of) and when my partner and I stood with our backs to the wall as far away from the speakers as we could, in a cramped area (partly through instinct) which would give him four minutes recify the problem, he scooted off to take pictures of the few customers in the pub???
I'm not bothered by the quality of equipment, (though my eyes light up when I see an SM58) but I like a host to have a basic knowledge on how to use it. If it's busy I ideally just want the host to call people up quickly and in order.
I have always avoided shows without books, not having a book (or kiosk) indicates a lot of bad things to me.
@Jerry from what I understand about your shows and making the assumption that you are polite, say hello and smile occasionally, I would have no issue with going to your show and see no reason why I wouldn't stay the night. Which is more than I can say for several in my area.
The greatest show i've been to recently had 39 songs (printed out on one sheet of paper) and used disc player and tiny speakers... even though I heard "these boots are made for walking" 4 times in a row... he was polite, fast, used what little equipment he had to the best of his ability and had a great (albeit drunken) crowd who all got into the spirit of things.
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exweedfarmer
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 5:22 pm |
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mrscott @ Thu Oct 07, 2010 3:34 pm wrote: exweedfarmer @ Thu Oct 07, 2010 4:18 pm wrote: mrscott:
I certainly support and commend your new found wisdom, but even I wouldn't use the system you described. May I suggest a further experiment? Go out and get knee walking drunk (for some of us it is a lifestyle) and sing karaoke. Stagger a mile in their shoes. Leave that idea of "Professionalism" in the dumpster. There is nothing about karaoke that is "Professional." That's the whole idea of karaoke, try, fail, try again. Weed,, two things come to mind here... firs I don't drink,, EVER,, and second,, there is no "try",, To "try" means you give yourself a reason to fail. There is only "do" or "do not" nothing in between. Do this as an experiment.. "try" to pick up a pen... you either can or can't, do or don't,,,, there is no "try". But failures "will and do" lead to success. What does that have to do with karaoke you ask? Well, I "tried" and didn't "do"... So now I am committed to "do". My show has "tried" and failed...now it's time to "do" and succeed.
Boolean logic does not apply to drunks. I picked up the pen but it was useless because I was holding it upside down. Did I fail or succeed? If you are truly going to focus on the persons (a wonderful idea I think) at your show you will need to understand them. The easiest way to do that is to become one of them but that being out of the question... I'm stumped. I guess I really shouldn't post this if I have nothing constructive to say but perhaps just pointing out the problem might be constructive in itself.
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Jian
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 5:37 pm |
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Just to state the extreme:
Karaoke CAN be done WITHOUT a KJ/host but you cann't do karaoke without the equipment and backing tracks. Think Asian: private rooms style karaoke are mostly self-controlled.
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letitrip
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 5:50 pm |
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Jian @ Thu Oct 07, 2010 7:37 pm wrote: Just to state the extreme:
Karaoke CAN be done WITHOUT a KJ/host but you can't do karaoke without the equipment and backing tracks. Think Asian: private rooms style karaoke are mostly self-controlled.
Ah yes, but to counter that point, since everyone has equipment (good or bad) it's the host or lack there of that makes the difference between shows. The Karaoke booth thing is a completely different environment than what most of us are used to dealing with.
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