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My biggest concern is for the new folks...Admittedly I am a sensitive person....But, I did alot of listening yesterday....(got nutin done of my chores) and I saw several comments that I thought were hurtful for no good reason. Personally, I just see no sense in raining on a parade just for the "authority" feel of it...I said before and will say again, New folks here need to be welcomed warmly not judged right off the bat...Not told as they come in the door, hey, you got all kinds of problems, fix em, fix em, fix em......Fix em now!!!! Let the newbies settle in....They will ask for help eventually...Yes, I already am....And some have offered it in a nice way after I asked...and to them my hat is off....all I am doing here is asking that we, as a group, welcome new people and don't make them feel like whatever they offer isn't up to snuff right out of the gate....It is a spirit killer that will run new people off...and I have invited at least 2 dozen friends to join us here....I would hope they get a warm welcome and not harsh judgements within the first month or even as in my case week....

Within the first week I was here, I got slammed for mic noises, repeadedly to the point of telling them in return if it hurts your ears, turn it off....and all from 1 person...this same person pm me with the same remarks after posting it on almost every song I subbed and accused me of giving a low retalitory rating in return, which now that you hear my concerns, I am sure you realize is rediculous....Then I was plied with a copy of a wonderful program bootleg style and informed it would be denied if mentioned...apologized to and the hurtful remarks erased with my replies to the originals left looking silly... as a reply to a then nice one...I say, if ya say it, own it..


If someone asks for help, by all means help them...But to make someone feel inferior, especially if they are a newbie and don't know any better, I think is a good way to run people off who might otherwise stay. I know I can sing fairly decent ...I've been singin my whole life...I know when something is off, I can hear that too...I know I am not a star....I do not aspire to be one. I don't think there are many of us who enjoy being called to the carpet for our shortcomings...especially in the beginning of anything new.....As earlier mentioned, You don't tell a tone deaf singer at Karaoke, hey u suck...You clap with manners, hopefully, knowing they did the best they could... And you don't meet someone for the first time and say, gosh you're ugly, change your shirt, fix your shoes, get a new thigamajig so you can be cool like me.....It's rude...

Like fine wine, we all hopefully improve with age...It took me a month here to feel comfortable enough and irritated enough to speak my mind and u needn't agree with me, for me to survive, but my point was and is TAKE IT EASY ON THE NEWBIES....and it's mainly one person offending...I know how it feels, cuz it happened to me....I didn't pick up my marbles and leave but I will certainly tell you now how it made me feel and how I can see by reading alot of replies to the over zealous judgemental remarks how it has made some others feel....

I would hope that we can all come here and be made to feel at home...Sing our hearts out, enjoy others singing...Help out when asked to if we can, etc....I would only again ask BE KIND TO NEWBIES....who may have never heard of much of what you know....and some may not aspire to. When new folks want help they will ask....But there is never a good reason to intenionally stomp on a heart that is trying its best...right out of the gate....

I COULD BE COMPLETELY LOST....It occurs to me that maybe I have stumbled in to a web site where I am not welcome to come and sing just for fun...If this is a technical web site that's purpose is to train professionals for mixing and singing just make me aware and I will disappear..that never occured to me before...I thought this was just good ole KARAOKE....

Respectfully,
Connie

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Ok... my last post on this topic. Then I'll shut my big mouth for awhile.

I could be wrong, but I think the purpose of this website is to be whatever you make of it. That goes for everyone. The way you treat people is the way you treat people and the way others treat them is according to their own personalities. You can't change that. You may want this site to be a cheerleading section , but I don't. I like it just the way it is. I like that we can feel comfortable enough to make comments without tiptoeing around to try to be politically correct and that we can joke around with each other and that people may offer advice (even unsolicited) and try to be helpful without someone getting offended. How can you take a comment about mike a noise as a personal attack? There's nothing personal about that. I could be wrong, but I think you may be exaggerating about people "slamming" other people. I just don't see it. I don't think I've ever seen a critique on this site that wasn't accompanied by a positive comment. (except the occasional P***ing contest between some of the members.) One of your comments was the harshest slam I've ever seen in the comments since I've been here. I believe the comment section is not the place to hash out personal conflicts thats what the forums and pm's are for.

We have people from all over the world on this site and there will be conflicts and problems with cultural and social ettiquite from time to time.

We were all newbies here at one time and we have all taken our knocks from time to time and had some hurt feelings. I'm sure the new newbies will survive this horrible shark tank like the rest of us have and live to sing about it. They are certainly not obligated to stay if they don't like the site. It's very noble of you to be so protective of all the newbies out there and to speak for them, but you have no idea what they may be looking for on this site maybe some of them want advice too.

I don't see giving advice or pointing out problems as being judgemental. It's as simple as take the advice or leave it. No need to be offended if you aren't perfect and someone points it out. If you already didn't know you're not perfect you've got bigger problems to worry about.

I'm glad you finally got the nerve to speak out on the issues that are on your mind. The commenting issue has been around for a long time and we will probably never agree on it and others will disagree with both of us and it goes on and on and on forever.

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Too soon old......too late smart.

Ha! Ha! Wannabe! Been there! Done that!

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neverheardofher

Yeah It can be kinda tricky sometimes.....I don't want him to get the blame for anything I might have to say.


He gets into enough trouble on his own.

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Too soon old......too late smart.

If after all I have said, you really believe that I think I am perfect and can't stand to hear I am not, then I am wasting my time typing...My whole point is that NONE are perfect ..... and that Karaoke is for fun ... There was more said than I even mentioned...Didn't feel the need to quote, thought I could make my point without it..

And you don't meet someone for the first time and say, gosh you're ugly, change your shirt, fix your shoes, get a new thigamajig so you can be cool like me.....It's rude...Manners never go out of style in any country..or shouldn't..

I realize I made my comment in probably the wrong area, for that please accept my apology, but I had just come from reading the rocks that had been thrown unnessisarily and I had a stupid moment, I guess...and climbed on my Newbie soapbox.....to beg for liniency for the "Imperfect Newbies" (self included) ...

There prolly is no final answer here....Yes, we are all entitiled to our opinions........I feel I have made my point, just don't want to be misunderstood....

The New should be welcomed warmly....

Hopefully they will stay long enough to get the desire to learn more than they knew when they came in the door, as I have now, 1 month later..Till the desire comes, I see no need for a shark tank with bites, cuz the world is full of pain, karaoke should be a comfort zone....

I truly enjoy all the singers here....because I truly love music....If I have offended anyone, I apologize ....I try to keep my mouth shut when I have nothing nice to say.... I AIN'T perfect and I DO know it....and this was a concern for me cuz it happened to me too....we ALL have feelings...

Ps. My Father is terminally ill with cancer and in the hospital with pneumonia...I ask for prayers for him ...His 74th birthday is Tuesday...For his birthday I am going to sign him up and post a few of his songs so he can live on thru them....His karaoke name is Big Daddy...He made me take him at the ripe ole age of 73 to get it tattooed on his arm.... His picture can be found in my album...Please think good thoughts for him...

And yes, I do wear my heart on my sleeve these days because it hurts alot to see your Daddy dying.... so maybe I am just being emotionally stupid ..but I don't think so...because I was not the only occurance... Daddy made those first recordings of me and we were proud of them...I apologized in advance for the lack of equipment therefore poor quality....I already knew they weren't that good....but they were all I had....and I wanted to join in here....

Respectfully,
Connie

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When I was young, I used to believe in the concept of one best friend,  then I became an adult  and  realized  that if you allow your heart to open up, God would show you the best in many friends...

And when I post my Dear Daddy's songs if any of u stinkers say anything bad about my Daddy's songs I will hunt you down and thwarp you!

For those of u who don't know what thwarp means it's hillbilly for bop u one...

Lets sing for FUN and have fun doing it, cuz life is short...and any song could be our last.....just a short year ago Daddy was dragging me to karaoke 5 nights a week....oh, how I wish we could go again now....

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When I was young, I used to believe in the concept of one best friend,  then I became an adult  and  realized  that if you allow your heart to open up, God would show you the best in many friends...

OK I know I said I would shut up, but I have to clarify.......



I was not referring to you personally with this comment I guess I should have made that clear. Just a general comment. I never got the impression that you think you are perfect and never meant to imply that. I guess it kinda sounded that way and I'm sorry for that.

I guess that's just an example of how you can offend soemone without trying.

I completely understand the point you were making that no one is perfect and I also believe that it is best to take it easy on the newbies. I think I already said that tho. My point is that we don't all think alike. Some people think that if you sub a a song and say something like "Hey i'm new at this still trying to figure out how to record" that can be taken as asking for help.
To all you newbies out there....don't ake it personally if someone tries to help it will probably happen.
Telling someone they need to fix something that can be fixed is not the same as telling someone they are ugly. It's more like if you hear a knock in your friend's engine and you tell him how to fix it. I don't think he would be offended by that.
I don't want all the helpful people out there to decide to stop helping because they are afraid to offend someone.
My point is people will get offended no matter how hard you try not to offend. It is up to the person offended to speak up and say so.....which you did. Now we all know one way in which not to offend you, but that doesn't mean you won't be offended in another way at some time. People making comments are not perfect either and may not know when the line has been stepped over. That's just being human and we should try to be tolerant of each other going both ways.

I am truly sorry to hear about your father and I know how difficult that can be. I lost my mother to cancer two months ago. It can be a very trying time. Just remember all the good times no matter how bad it gets and take comfort that he knows you care. I'm sure he does. You seem to be a very caring person.

Looking forward to hearing some of his songs.

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Too soon old......too late smart.

What do you mean 'not perfect' ? We are all perfect!!!! Different, but perfect.

On another point... Being tactful is VERY hard it seems. To some it comes naturally... Like OWN, for example (hope he doesn't mind)...great comments, and honest feedback. Others are 'tactfully challenged' and just apologize if they have offfended (and that works).

And one last point... Many of us seem impressed, happy, praiseful on almost every sub. Guess why...because that is what we heard!! Another human being expressing themself in song is a glorious thing. Sometimes it is hard to get past that, and move on to 'honest feedback'. For those who truly want some reality... double, then triple check that intention, then just ask for it... You'll get it.

Disclaimer - this post is not aimed at a specific comment, rank, person, or organization. The poster WILL be held responsible for his/her intentions...which are only good (kum-by-ya All).

Connie, my prayers are with you for your dear Daddy. You know my Mom passed away 5 years ago from lung cancer. I feel for you, sweets.

You're always sticking up for everyone. But don't worry, if someone feels like they've been trampled on I'm sure they'll be vocal about it. I've only had one bad experience here, and it was dealt with promptly. You came to my defense then, too, as did a lot of other people.

If someone's being mean I think we can all sense it and we back each other up. I feel that the foundation of this site is good people who want to share their talents and hear others do the same.

Luv ya!

Commenting on songs with critique is different then telling people they're ugly or fat. I don't know what goes on in your house, and neither do you know what goes on in mine. Subbing on the SS means you are going public, and being public means opening yourself up to critique.
If I say something regarding your sub, THEN I SAY IT REGARDING YOUR SUB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't know you, your circumstances and would see you in the shop not knowing who you are. Is that so difficult to understand? None of my comments are personal, but based on my God given gift of HEARING!
If, like HeadsTogether, you are going through painful times, then tell us that, like "This was one of my father's favourite recordings that he helped me with" or "This recording was done under so and so circumstances" Believe me, we are all human here, none without emotion, and we have all lost a loved one in our lifes. We can feel your pain!

There are times that I wonder what the heck I'm doing here? This is become more like a soapie channel then the fun channel!

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Luly, you are just the sweetest person!!!


Steve

If you think that post was ugly, you should see the private ones I recieved from ALL STAR....(since he wants to name drop) They were so mean I have threatened to post them here and warned him I will forward them to whomever in charge if he doesn't stop...can someone please tell me who is in charge and who I need to forward them to?

I have said what I have to say on this topic and I think I made my points quite clearly.

For the record, the stuff you said to mention about circumstances was revealed in the writeup of every song I posted...But one would have to read to see it... Furthermore if you really read my whole post you might find some other things you seem to have overlooked...

Put the axe in the shed......It's starting to grind....

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When I was young, I used to believe in the concept of one best friend,  then I became an adult  and  realized  that if you allow your heart to open up, God would show you the best in many friends...

Please forward anything to Phil, aka webguru. He's the leader of the pack.

....(since he wants to name drop)
I wrote

This was an example in the most sympathetic way!

If this is all you have to do I can give u a list of productive chores, like Hurricane clean-up and repairs, laundry, hospital visitation, etc...

If you read , REALLY READ my posts I think you will pull off that mask and put that axe in the shed....

In the words of Barbara Striesand and Donna Summer, ENOUGH is Enough...The more this is stirred, the more it smells....and I will not take my marbles and run matter how ugly u get....I will just consider the source....end of story...Too many nice folks here to let you bother me...

Thanks for giving me the name of the leader...

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When I was young, I used to believe in the concept of one best friend,  then I became an adult  and  realized  that if you allow your heart to open up, God would show you the best in many friends...

Okay -

I'm really confused.

What seems to be the trouble.

AllStar & Heads Together are at each other, but for the life of me I can't figure out why?

It would appear that both have read each others original posts differently than there were meant. Or at least that is the way it appears to me.

Gosh, I don't want to see anyone especially "regulars" all upset about something as silly as this. This site is supposed to be about fun!?

Everyone take a deep breath count to ten and (in the words of Franky goes to Hollywood) R- E - L - A - X

If you find out, let me know, because I don't know either.

Connie & Allstar

I don't want to get in the middle of your argument. I really like both of you. I just have to speak my mind here. Why don't you agree to disagree? You know where each of you stands. Somewhere along the line there may have been something unintentionally miscommunicated.

If I were involved with someone else in an issue like this, I'd just stay away from that person's subs to not get anything else stirred up. Why be all frustrated and bothered when this is supposed to be a tension-reliever here. C'mon let's keep the fun spirit in all of this! Please?

Luv you both!!

Thank you, Steven, you know I feel the same way about you!

My sentiment exactly....Fun, Joy, Pleasure....Enough misery in this ole world... I come here for JOY!!!!

Loved that angel Luly, where did u find that, hun ?

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When I was young, I used to believe in the concept of one best friend,  then I became an adult  and  realized  that if you allow your heart to open up, God would show you the best in many friends...

I have never dragged some-one elses name through the mud! I don't like it when they do that to me either. I went through a session with BeachHeadBum as well, but that was not personal, calling names or just plain name slantering, those were technical issues mainly.
What happens here is totally different.