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Dastardley
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letitrip @ Wed Dec 22, 2010 2:54 pm wrote: Das, if you already have a mixer well then thta makes your life that much easier. Yes that will work with the player you're looking at. What's really nice is then you can run your microphones directly through that mixer rather than through the player. Then all you need is a decent set of powered speakers (either the monitors I described or something larger) and you're ready to roll. My recommendation for connecting the player to that would be to use RCA to 1/4" adapters and bring the mixer input in on one of the stereo channels (either 5/6 or 7/8).
Thanks Tony, you have given me food for thought my friend.....I'm really glad i found this board....a lot of very knowledgable and helpful guys around the place. I know I will definetly be reading a lot here and asking more questions in the future...Thanks for your advice.....Much appreciated.
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Dastardley @ Wed Dec 22, 2010 10:32 am wrote: I think we can access most of the stuff here in Glasgow my friend, I see Guitar Center will ship to the UK and when you access their site from here in the UK they will automatically list their items in GBP's as opposed to USD for convienance...Which is mighty nice of them...  Das No. Don't go there.
Shipping and customs duty would make it quite expensive.
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Dastardley @ Wed Dec 22, 2010 3:17 pm wrote: letitrip @ Wed Dec 22, 2010 2:54 pm wrote: Das, if you already have a mixer well then thta makes your life that much easier. Yes that will work with the player you're looking at. What's really nice is then you can run your microphones directly through that mixer rather than through the player. Then all you need is a decent set of powered speakers (either the monitors I described or something larger) and you're ready to roll. My recommendation for connecting the player to that would be to use RCA to 1/4" adapters and bring the mixer input in on one of the stereo channels (either 5/6 or 7/8). Thanks Tony, you have given me food for thought my friend.....I'm really glad i found this board....a lot of very knowledgable and helpful guys around the place. I know I will definetly be reading a lot here and asking more questions in the future...Thanks for your advice.....Much appreciated. Das Yep lots of great people here with lots of great advice. Please do stick around, most here will be happy to help you out and offer their perspectives on things.
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Dastardley @ Wed Dec 22, 2010 4:42 am wrote: TominNJ @ Tue Dec 21, 2010 12:22 pm wrote: Dastardley @ Mon Dec 20, 2010 3:26 pm wrote: Could you recommend a PA system? baring in mind it would only be used in a home environment. Before you start looking at PA systems you need to know that there are two basic types: active (powered) speakers and passive speakers. Active speakers have the amplifiers built right into them and you can run an output directly from your karaoke player to the speaker. Active speakers are heavier because they have the amps built into them but the amps and the speakers are matched so there's less risk of blowing them out. Passive speakers don't have the amplifiers built into them. They're normally used with powered mixers (mixers with amplifiers built into them) although you can insert an amplifier into the chain between a mixer and the passive speakers. This system is a bit trickier because you have to match your speakers and your amplifiers or you can damage your components. One way for you to go would be: 1. Buy the player you're looking at or another one. Make sure you get one that does everything you want it to do and does it well. Play it through the tv and or home stereo for a while. Keep the volume and the microphone level low and don't scream into the microphone or you could possibly blow out your tv/stereo speakers. 2. As your budget allows, buy either one or two powered speakers. You can run your outputs directly from your player to the speaker for a while. You can possibly get away with just one speaker if your player allows you to blend the stereo signals to one output. As your budget allows, you can add the second speaker (if you can still get the same model) for stereo. 3. Add a mixer with some vocal effects as your budget allows. Reverb etc. The mixer would go between the player and the powered speakers. One thing I discovered was that my powered speakers didn't get along well with my rear projection tv.  The magnetic field from the speaker caused some awful convergence problems. Powered speakers supposedly have magnetic shielding but they can still cause problems and I suspect that the shielding quality varies widely between brands. Don't store your audio/video tapes near them just to be on the safe side. I'm not an expert on this and probably only know enough to be dangerous. I hope someone corrects anything that I got wrong. Then we'll both learn something. Thanks for your great tutorial here Tom, this is a great bit of information for the likes of me......As I have no knowledge of setting this kind of equipment up at all. Other than the simple basic family plug and play karaoke I haven't set up anything else...so this post of yours helps a great deal. One thing I would like to ask you (and anyone else who wants to chip in) I have a behringer 1204 FAX mixer which I use when singing on an online karaoke site will this mixer and the FX effects work in a karaoke player set up? Or are the mixer(s) i see mentioned something else entirely specific to karaoke set ups? sorry if this is a dumb question, but it will give you an indication of just how little I know about the set up and equiptment.....I'm like an uber newbie!  Das When I upgraded from a little playtoy karaoke machine, the folks on this forum not only helped me pick out my system, they helped me understand how to set it up, and how to make needed adjustments. Don't worry about lack of knowledge, there is more than enough of that within this forum.
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I would definately listen to jerry12x. Since he's in the UK, he knows all about the customs and duty fees. You can probably get what you need from a local source.
I've heard too many stories about people in Europe and the UK who think they are getting a good deal online, only to find they get raped by the government fees. It even happens in Canada (to a lesser extent). Go local if you can.
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Dastardley
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masterblaster @ Fri Dec 24, 2010 9:40 am wrote: I would definately listen to jerry12x. Since he's in the UK, he knows all about the customs and duty fees. You can probably get what you need from a local source.
I've heard too many stories about people in Europe and the UK who think they are getting a good deal online, only to find they get raped by the government fees. It even happens in Canada (to a lesser extent). Go local if you can.
I won't be buying from the US, I was just letting the poster know that the option is availabe to us here in Scotland, should we want to use it. Apart from the reasons you mention the delivery time can be a pain as well......It's a long enough wait even when ordering from here in the UK without ordering from abroad.
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Dastardley @ Fri Dec 24, 2010 12:27 pm wrote: It's a long enough wait even when ordering from here in the UK without ordering from abroad.
Ahh.
That would be the Royal Snail.
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Dastardley
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jerry12x @ Fri Dec 24, 2010 1:02 pm wrote: Dastardley @ Fri Dec 24, 2010 12:27 pm wrote: It's a long enough wait even when ordering from here in the UK without ordering from abroad. Ahh. That would be the Royal Snail. Indeed.....Postman Pat and co.
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Dastardley
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Dastardley @ Mon Dec 20, 2010 12:54 pm wrote: Thanks Jian, this is the link to the machine I am thinking of buying. LINK: BKV KP112Just thought i would update my situation fellas. I just ordered the home karaoke machine that I liked the look of, minus the wireless mic's (see link above) and after reading through the posts here and the advice from the kind people who offered it I decided to buy these inexpensive speakers as a starter, by way of introduction to karaoke....If I genuinely get into it I can always upgrade these later. Here are the speakers I opted for baring in mind they are for use in a small room and for a crowd of around.....er' one....maybe three If i include the wife and dog.
I already own a Berhinger 1204 FX mixer that I intend to use with the karaoke.
Once the gear actually arrives I will no doubt be back on asking for the best way to hook the system up for optimum effect. Das
LINK: SPEAKERS
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I don't think you could beat that price and for what you plan to do with them they should work out fine. Certainly not going to win you any awards for fidelity, but for just playing around with Karaoke at home by yourself, they should do fine.
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Dastardley
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Ok guys my karaoke machine and speakers came today....I started to set things up but have run into a problem.
What I have done is connected my player to my berhinger mixer by the white/red audio cables i put them into cd/tape input on the mixer...I then took the audio cable from the tape/cd output to my speakers. When I play the karaoke machine I am only getting sound from the machine....not the speakers (The karaoke machine is connected to my tv via HDMI cable) ...BUT when I turn my mixer OFF....I get the sound through my speakers!  Can anyone help this technophobe out please.....I know something ain't right. Das
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The mixer should have a main outs jacks that you go from the mixer to the speakers.
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DannyG2006 @ Fri Dec 31, 2010 9:03 pm wrote: The mixer should have a main outs jacks that you go from the mixer to the speakers.
I see a left/right "mains outputs" on the back....but these are big with three pins in them There are also some "control room out" left/right sockets which are the smaller kind....and an "alt 3-4 outputs sockets" is it any of these? I don't have cables to fit the larger three pins ones if it is.....Also when I am moving the cables around everytime one of the red or ehite plugs hits the mixer it's kinda sparkin.....Now it's getting scary!  As you can guess I am completely lost trying to connect this stuff. Das.
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First, forget about the outputs on the back of the mixer, those would be for using pro-level speakers. The speakers you have I believe only have RCA inputs (the red and white pair) so you've got the right idea. Connect the tape out to your speakers as you mentioned.
The first place I'd check then to figure out your audio problem is the button next to the output meters on the far right side that is marked "CD/Tape to Main". Make sure this button is engaged so that the 2-track input will be routed to the main mix. If that doesn't help, here's another troubleshooting step for you. Next to that button I just mentioned is a set of 3 buttons in a box marked "Source". Make sure that only the button marked "Main Mix" is engaged. Then, when you try playing music through the player again, report back to us and tell us what you see on the meters to the right. You should see levels being reflected there. If you are but you still have no sound in your speakers, something is wrong with the speakers. If no levels show up there, then there is a different issue and we can work through that after you report back.
Hope this helps.
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letitrip @ Fri Dec 31, 2010 10:41 pm wrote: First, forget about the outputs on the back of the mixer, those would be for using pro-level speakers. The speakers you have I believe only have RCA inputs (the red and white pair) so you've got the right idea. Connect the tape out to your speakers as you mentioned.
The first place I'd check then to figure out your audio problem is the button next to the output meters on the far right side that is marked "CD/Tape to Main". Make sure this button is engaged so that the 2-track input will be routed to the main mix. If that doesn't help, here's another troubleshooting step for you. Next to that button I just mentioned is a set of 3 buttons in a box marked "Source". Make sure that only the button marked "Main Mix" is engaged. Then, when you try playing music through the player again, report back to us and tell us what you see on the meters to the right. You should see levels being reflected there. If you are but you still have no sound in your speakers, something is wrong with the speakers. If no levels show up there, then there is a different issue and we can work through that after you report back.
Hope this helps.
Hi, thanks for the help this far. I tried engaging the buttons you mentioned but still no joy....When I play the player the sound is coming through my tv and not the speakers.....No levels show up whatsoever on my mixer.....the green lights that indicate the sound level don't go on at all. Das.
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Quote: It's a long enough wait even when ordering from here in the UK without ordering from abroad.
What does a woman have to do with it?  . Ducks.
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timberlea @ Sat Jan 01, 2011 6:20 pm wrote: Quote: It's a long enough wait even when ordering from here in the UK without ordering from abroad. What does a woman have to do with it? . Ducks. probably as much as Ducks have to do with it i'd guess.
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timberlea @ Sat Jan 01, 2011 6:20 pm wrote: Quote: It's a long enough wait even when ordering from here in the UK without ordering from abroad. What does a woman have to do with it? . Ducks. probably as much as Ducks have to do with it i'd guess.
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Danny, he's using the 2-Track output which is wired in parallel to the main output on that board. His speakers only have RCA inputs. There is no need for him to use the XLR or 1/4" outputs. If there's no levels showing on the board, then there is no signal coming in, how he patches to his speakers doesn't matter.
My guess is that the player is probably not sending output on the RCA ouptuts because it is using the HDMI. To prove this you can try plugging the RCA outputs from the player directly into those speakers. I'm betting you're not going to see sound through them.
Not sure if there is some way to get that player to send audio output both on the HDMI and the RCA at the same time.
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