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 Post subject: Re: Pricing
PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:38 am 
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starting to be happy about not being able to play a musical instrument. It would be nice to make my own backing tracks though.


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Virgin Karaoke @ Sun Mar 13, 2011 8:15 pm wrote:
Well let's see! The drummer doesn't show up for every other practice because he doesn't really need to, The lead doesn't want to learn any new songs because he doesn't like them, the bass player shows up for practices and gigs drunk 80% of the time or proceeds to get drunk the other 20% and can't repeat the same line twice in a row because of it, both the drummer and keyboard player think they should get a bigger cut because they have bigger stuff to carry in, the leads singer thinks he should get a bigger cut because he is the front man that everyone really comes to hear, you practice to make the songs and transitions tight but on the night of a gig half of the band is drunk or drugged out of their minds and couldn't put two songs together with a hammer and nails. Every member of the band thinks they are irreplaceable and things should be done their way, everyone of them fancies themselves as a song writer and wants the band to do "their" song (no matter how bad it really is) All of them want to do "their own music" instead of covers (that people actually want to hear.


There's a big difference when you work with professionals vs. amateurs. Such as:
    Practice is for learning parts, and is done at home. As a group, you rehearse the show, not practice the songs.

    If you're intoxicated at rehearsal or a show, you're fired. One or two beers or drinks is fine. If you're hammered, you're gone. ( I like A (as in one) shot of good tequila as a pre-show ritual. I drink water the rest of the show )

    Your job is to make THE BAND sound good. If that doesn't happen, you didn't do your job.

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theCheese @ Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:48 pm wrote:

It's not as easy as 'don't like the rules, then you're out of the band' when you've got a full calendar booked.


Well, yeah, it is. Each of us is capable of holding down all or part of the night as a solo, or any combo of the five of us. Plus there's several subs we can use at short notice. People do get sick.

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I pack in the bar when I host on the weekends, yet the bands they hire get $100 more than me - yet rarely do they get a decent turnout. Does this happen at your bars too?


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When discussing PRICING ......
Is this OVER THE TABLE ....meaning at the end of the year you get a 1099
OR
Under the table ... CASH NO 1099 and no Taxes ???


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Moonrider @ Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:46 am wrote:
theCheese @ Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:48 pm wrote:

It's not as easy as 'don't like the rules, then you're out of the band' when you've got a full calendar booked.


Well, yeah, it is. Each of us is capable of holding down all or part of the night as a solo, or any combo of the five of us. Plus there's several subs we can use at short notice. People do get sick.


Call it practice call it rehersal either way the band still has to work to pull songs together before a show. I don't care how good of musicians they are to put a tight show together it takes practice and coordination, there are a lot of professional dancers but you can't just throw them on stage and expect that because they are all professional dancers that everything will be performed like you envisioned.

Yes band members do get sick and the dedicated professionals continue regardless or in spite of that fact.


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jamkaraoke @ Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:36 am wrote:
When discussing PRICING ......
Is this OVER THE TABLE ....meaning at the end of the year you get a 1099
OR
Under the table ... CASH NO 1099 and no Taxes ???


If you are running a business you are reporting your income regardless of it being cash or a 1099.


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Virgin Karaoke @ Thu Mar 10, 2011 3:16 am wrote:
It depends on several things.

As already pointed out "the area" is one, although I believe that even in an area where the normal top money is $150 the right host can get $200 - $250 with a little talk.

Another would be an established following, of course this is going to be impossible for someone just starting out so it would have to be built up over time along with the pay rate. This is also dependent upon other things as well.

The charisma of the host,

Having a library that covers what the patrons want to sing,

Sound and knowing how to run it,

Running a show that the majority perceive as fair.

Achieving good money in your area is going to depend a lot on who your competition is and what kind of shows they are running.

One other way is to buy out an established host who has a good following and gets top money train under him/her for a few months and learn what works and why it works and then continue on with his/her established venues as you begin to add others. :lol:


Best post I've seen in these parts for a long time, and spot on! Couldn't have said it better. Thanks!

The average around here is around $150 as well, but MY average is around $230- for all of the reasons stated above. My top pay is now $275, but I remember getting $350 back in the day. I too agree that newbies have it tougher. I've been doing this in the same area for decades.

I'm fully aware that some KJs work off the books, but I'm a long time, long running business, and well known in the area. Trust me, for this it HAS to be on the books. Not just ethically, but because if you're not, you WILL be caught.

Even though legit, I have been called in for audits twice. In my opinion, it's exactly the type of business that the IRS looks at closely.

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Moonrider wrote:
There's a big difference when you work with professionals vs. amateurs. Such as:
    Practice is for learning parts, and is done at home. As a group, you rehearse the show, not practice the songs.


In an ideal situation, you burn everyone in the band a disc with the tunes we want to work on, everybody goes home and does their 'homework' and you come to practice/rehearsal to put it all together.

I don't play in a tribute band.. I like to mix things up.. play with arrangements, and put the bands personal stamp on some of the more tired arrangements.

Rehearsal.. practice.. whatever you want to call it.. that's the time the group spends together to iron arrangements out and go over what they worked on separately.


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I don't unpack for less than $200 on a recurring bar gig. $350 for private parties.

It's just not worth my time to work for less than that.


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At many places in our area, the till itself might be $350. $6-700 is considered cause for jumping up and down. We are in the third most depressed county in the nation so even with a crowd, things are tight. I was thinking we were at the bottom of the barrel to be making $100-$150 but now reading this, it seems that is in keeping with many other areas and considering the tills, rather high.

We do have casinos, which you would think would pay more but the one across from one of our shows pays $125 to run their system or $150-175 if you bring your own. The ones in the larger cities do better, I hope.


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