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Don't blame ya there. Was just trying to clarify that you don't have to use CH for your shows.

If a demo of CH would work that might be acceptable, but definitely not ideal.

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I seriously doubt they would have allowed the free demo to unlock anything, they want people to purchase the product. Someone needs to try that has got into this.

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So instead of buying a Cd with a few good songs and a bunch you don't need, you buy a few good songs and software and hardware you don't need.

For a KJ with an established library, it's still cheaper to purchase individual songs on the fly using any available internet connection or smart phone internet. You could easily buy from Tricerisoft or SBI and find a wider selection.

Personally, I normally don't bother buying songs on the fly (I have plenty of others to choose from). I'll buy the song for you the next day if I know it will bring you back again to sing it.



I don't think I'd like my screen cluttered up with registration IDs and/or compuhost ads either. I wonder if it's just at the beginning or throughout the whole song.


From a marketing perspective it's still a great idea and I'm sure someone else will come along soon and do it better.

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I know they will flash the registered to & email address on the beginning of their custom discs during the splash screen.

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So let me get this straight.

When you order this HD, you get all the songs that you may or may not have already, but you need to unlock them... So to unlock them, you have to pay for credits..... and in order to use your credits you need CompuHost hosting software.. and the CompuHost software is sold seperately???

*palmface*

Chartbuster just shot themselves in the foot.

I don't think they shot themselves really. It's not going to be of any interest to those who do not use CH software, but it seems that the majority of kj's do use it. Plus it would be a killer way for a new host to add songs they want as they are asked for during a show. I like the premise overall, just don't need/want the software to utilize it.

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Guys, it's simple! If you're a Compuhost fan like myself, you get to take advantage of this innovative functionality. If you're not a fan, fine. Don't use it!

Let's see,

So far you've complained about having to have a harddrive? Then just download away, I'd rather unlock instantly, no downloading, no waiting.

And then you complain about the files being serialized? Why??? Aren't you on board with fighting piracy? And please, your concern of advertising being splashed all over the screen is rubbish!

You just CAN'T please some people!

The more I look, the more I like. I'm personally tired of buying dupes. Tired of buying discs that only have 2 or 3 or 4 songs that I want. With this, I can buy ONLY the songs I want. The price per song seems fair after paying the fee for the HD. I ALREADY have CH so that isn't an issue. Paying for credits upfront isn't something new. Not a bad thing either. This drive has PLENTY of songs I don't have, so it looks to be great. And now I don't have to wait until TOMORROW to buy a song someone wants to sing, I can get it now! That's the big selling point of course!!!! Still waiting for a negative selling point for me.

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Just waiting for someone to try it out.

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Been a little angry lately and not posting, but I saw this and wanted to point out an attack vector on this. I am being critical of the technical implementation.

So instead of having a single point of authentication (like the tricerasoft model) you leave the authentication in the hands of every person out there with physical access to this hard drive running your software.

I can virtualize the machine running your software (virtual PC, VMware, etc), I can save state when I have 1 credit, unlock a song, transfer it, restore the save state back to when I had 1 credit, then choose another song to unlock. Just keep repeating this process till I have them all unlocked.

This thing is going to be hacked, and pulled. Chartbusters, feel free to ship me a hard drive and a compuhost license if you want me to test this.

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It's like the difference between high and low budget toilet paper, it really doesn't matter in the end. -exweedfarmer

Which is smarter? Just sticking to making/selling karaoke, while people all over the world create software FOR FREE that helps you sell it, or trying to compete with them and keeping it a closed loop while you blow your money into an industry (software) that you(the karaoke manu) knows nothing about?
-me

Well, to new karaoke hosts, yes.. I can see the appeal.

But I've been in the game long enough to know that Chartbuster is middle of the road when it comes to sound quality, and all this has done for me, is alientated me away further.



Trust me.. I'm not heartbroken... if I had access to CB libraries, I'd love it... but not like that.

I'm not here to sway your opinion man Part of me is interested because I know CB well, but this whole setup is definitely not for me.

But it will probably work wonders for you.

You look like someone I know Krisko, where you from?

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It's like the difference between high and low budget toilet paper, it really doesn't matter in the end. -exweedfarmer

Which is smarter? Just sticking to making/selling karaoke, while people all over the world create software FOR FREE that helps you sell it, or trying to compete with them and keeping it a closed loop while you blow your money into an industry (software) that you(the karaoke manu) knows nothing about?
-me

Alberta, Canada. Your friend must be a handsome devil

I'm betting they have that covered.

Tbreen have you ever worked with any of the virtualization products I mentioned? How would they protect against this type of attack?

Think of it like this...

Programs in a virtualized enviroment can be run much like playing a tape. A little more complicated than that, but every program is designed to go from a to b to c to d.

Let's say
a is the OS start,
b is buying credits,
c is picking a song to be unlocked and
d is unlocking the song.

You just "rewind" sort of speak back to c, and unlock another song.

The hard drive has no idea it's under a virtualized enviroment (or for that matter, compuhost) Even if they did manage to get compuhost to try and detect it, there's a lot of tricks you can do with VMware these days (VMware can actually virtualize a real machine now, instead of emulating some pre-fab configuration. The IO driver hides the virtual OS from the real OS, so programs running in the virtual machine has no way of reading the real ram registers, no way of checking if vmware is running, nothing.

The other kicker here is this..

Once you have a machine state and all it's running programs virtualized, you can search registers to detect changes in the program. Crude example but..

Let's say register BEEF is where the credits value is stored. All we have to do is lock that register so the credits never go to zero. So even outside a virtual enviroment, compuhost can be made to unlock everything on the fly.

Again, I've had a lifetime in IT, desktop support, security, applications. Passing this around to my other "tech" friends, they all agree. Unless the hard drive is going to be shipped in a Jukebox where the end user can't really have physical access to the hard drive, this is going to be completely useless as a defense.

See, this is the entire point of using website certificates like thawte, RSA, Verisign, etc. You can securely keep authentication on your own servers, over the net, and never have to worry about things like man in the middle attacks, or an attacker having physical access to your security.

They can't defend against it. If they can, kudo's, but I doubt it without having the authentication, and storage of credits done remotely on some webserver.

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Living my life as Robert Cortese, 162 E. Jackson St, San Jose CA.

It's like the difference between high and low budget toilet paper, it really doesn't matter in the end. -exweedfarmer

Which is smarter? Just sticking to making/selling karaoke, while people all over the world create software FOR FREE that helps you sell it, or trying to compete with them and keeping it a closed loop while you blow your money into an industry (software) that you(the karaoke manu) knows nothing about?
-me

Heh there is one way I could see them doing it with bitcoin type encryption, where they have a machine slaving away creating custom keys for each song, for each customer.

There's no way they have that kind of processing power though. All the computers in the world couldn't hash that out fast enough.

So I'm guessing the keys on the files are the same across all hard drives.

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Living my life as Robert Cortese, 162 E. Jackson St, San Jose CA.

It's like the difference between high and low budget toilet paper, it really doesn't matter in the end. -exweedfarmer

Which is smarter? Just sticking to making/selling karaoke, while people all over the world create software FOR FREE that helps you sell it, or trying to compete with them and keeping it a closed loop while you blow your money into an industry (software) that you(the karaoke manu) knows nothing about?
-me

First of all, to those who didn't take the time to read the FAQ's, go here:
http://www.karaokeware.com/kjmprohd.html

Now, I think that the system is ingenious. First of all, CompuHost is the best hosting software, period. Next we have their awesome Karaoke Kiosk which is another home run, and now KJ Media Pro HD. All integrate (including FastTracks) and work beautifully with each other.

This is a great system allowing you to get the tracks you need when you need them. You'll never have to buy a "disc of the month" again to keep current. So, it helps you save money.

And, did you ever stop to think that this is helping you compete and overtake the pirates? How, you might ask? Simple:

One of the reasons a pirate may be successful in running a show is because he has every song a customer wants to sing. Now, you won't have to worry about losing customers to pirates because when they ask for a song, you no longer have to say "I don't have it". Therefore, eliminating the possibility of the customers going to the pirate's show because they have all the songs they want to sing. Now, you do too.

I will be purchasing this system in a few days. Can't wait.

I commend Invicion and Chartbuster on this joint venture.

On a side note, When Invicion releases the next major update to CompuHost (ver. 2), It's gonna be killer.

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Hey rip, just buy it. You don't need anybody's approval. If it sounds like something you might be interested in, go for it. Who care's what anybody else thinks. It's sad that there are some that have to pick it apart and not see the value in this. I can't believe some people are more interested in figuring out how this can be hacked. Sad.

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If it's software code in the program needed to unlock it then it will be hacked.

All software can be hacked it just take someone with the know how and will to do it.

Give it time it will be on all over the web.


P.S. This is not saying that I would ever do such a thing but it can and will be done.

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