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Got it. I don't know, since I haven't tried it. All of my owned songs are on the internal drive, so I only carry one. But this gives me an idea. I'll get back to you.

It seems that everyone is making this HD drive over complicated.

Yes, the drive has a warranty aswould any external drive you purchase retail.

Yes, CB will replace any songs not yet unlocked on the drive if it fails. They are not responsible for any song you have unlocked/purchased.

The drive is 500 gig and the 11K songs take up less than 100gig of space on the drive so you can use the remaining space for whatever you wish.

Yes, you can make a backup copy of the drive contents but remember you can only unlock a song once and only use in one system at a time, no multi-rigging. If you run multiple systems then you will need multiple KJ Media Pro HDs. (1:1 applies here too).

Hope that answers some of the questions here.

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As a programmer, I too believe it will be hacked.

Kind of weird for me to say that because I sell software to "the industry" if you like. The difference is of course that I sell something that is certainly an enhancement to have to your shows (and six years ahead of Invicon). But it's not a requirement - you can still use books - or go with no books if you're computerized and don't care. It's simply a computerized option to using printed books.

I however, use a hardware dongle for security reasons. Years ago, I was ridiculed for having one.... now even Invicon uses a hardware dongle because it is more secure. I'm betting the security on unlocking songs is tied to the dongle because you can't run the "unlocker" without the dongle and dongles are addressable and can store data - so the common denominator is the dongle.

It is not, however infallible by any means. But it's pretty good, it can make it a job to break but like anything else, it only has to be done once.

Toqer's method would work and it is one of many. A flashing registration number in the opening screen of a karaoke song doesn't mean squat.

The dongle on Compuhost was GEN-I licensing, old news. THey now have it so you no longer need the dongel but must go online to register the software. If you lose your password you're out of luck and you only get 2 licenses per purchase, 1 for show the other for backup.

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The Line Array Experiment is over. Nothing to see here. Move along.

If they are relying on the net for registration they will eventually be screwed. It's pretty much child's play to simply monitor and trap anything that comes across that network path... in both directions. Including what gets read and written between the program and individual files they are unlocking.

Even software companies with proprietary formats for their files have lost that security measure.... years ago.

Thank Lon, I don't see how I could be anymore clear. I don't see why this is such a hard concept to grasp!

It can be copied to another drive. I tried it last night and it worked fine.

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If you can copy the drive that way you could use it at more than one show without buying another perhaps? That would certainly defray the cost. If your credits could be divided up between more than one show that is.

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so you are still paying for each song you unlock on each system, jut not buying drive after drive. neat idea.

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I copied it so I could put away an archive copy.
No you can't run 2 or more shows from the same drive or copies. Once a song is unlocked it is no longer available to unlock again for another computer. Also, the hardrive tags the song witha id# the displays on the screen therefore if you copied the HD and the same song on to systems had the same id# then you are back in the unauthorized copy zone again.

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I copied it so I could put away an archive copy.
No you can't run 2 or more shows from the same drive or copies. Once a song is unlocked it is no longer available to unlock again for another computer. Also, the hardrive tags the song witha id# the displays on the screen therefore if you copied the HD and the same song on to systems had the same id# then you are back in the unauthorized copy zone again.

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I believe what he is saying is that you could buy one drive, unlock song A on computer #1 and unlock song B on computer #2.

The question is "Do you have to have a complete set of LOCKED songs per machine?" or can you use one drive of LOCKED songs and unlock them (1:1) on various machines. You would still be paying for them...they would just have different final destinations.

That is a good question. I would think that when you sign up there is a special process to authenticate whether the drive is the real deal and not some copy. If not hello piracy at a new level. I don't believe the backup copy allowed covers the locked songs.

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The Line Array Experiment is over. Nothing to see here. Move along.

But once a song is unlocked whats to stop some A-Hole from copying the unlocked song on a 2nd (or third, etc). Since it's been stated that once unlocked they can be moved (and assume copyable) on any system.

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But what happens when you need song A on computer 2 now - technically it's only unlocked for computer 1 and this doesn't give you any more rights to copy to multiple systems than a disc? I am starting to see lots of problems with this system.

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When you unlock a song, your account ID number is embeded in the file and displays on the screen during playback.

Yes, once unlocked the song can be moved to another drive and played on other systems and copied and shared just like any other mp3g you might download from anywhere else. What stops people from doing anything nefarious with it is the deep fear that resides in all pirates that someone might recognize the serial number displayed on the screen and care about it.

If you can make a back-up copy of the hard drive, then wouldn't you expect it to work exactly the same as the original if needed. And if you copied it before using any credits couldn't you expect all of the content to be available for purchase?

And if you had two purchasing accounts with credits for each wouldn't you think you could use your copied hard drive on another system without buying an additional hard drive?

In fact I'd bet that a few KJs could share the same hard drive (or copy the files) to defray costs and each would have it available if they work different nights (or simultaneous if they copied the content).

They would still be purchasing the songs in the end result, but paying less for the up front costs.

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No different than buying discs. You cannot use one set of discs to run multiple shows - even though the technology is there to allow it. So if you copied the hard drive, this would be no better than copying an entire set of discs - EXCEPT that you still have to pay to unlock a song. I believe it's even stated in CB somewhere, you want to run 2 shows at the same time, two hard drives would need to be purchased.

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Why don't they just offer a torrent of the encrypted files and get rid of the hard drive requirement?

Oh yah, they're making markup on the hard drive.

It seems different from discs to me, because with discs you own all the content on the disc. With the hard drive you don't own anything until you purchase the credit to unlock it which is the same thing as purchasing the song.

However the content on the drive could be copyrighted as is and the buyer denied the right to legally copy it for that purpose even though the end product (song) would be legally paid for.

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