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I can't see Thunder's post, but if I recall, he uses the same system as I do.

Ripman, in most cases the real late comers have either blown most of their money someplace else that night, or are show hoppers bouncing from show to show in hopes of more air time through the use of hosts that do mid-rotation insertions.

The people who have been there all night are the ones that are supporting the show, me, and the venue.

Don't get me wrong. If someone who is normally an all night regular wanders in late, I will do all that I can to be accomodating for that person.

Of course, if the late person happens to walk in as the last person in the rotation is singing, that person would be next. If not, he waits until the end of the rotation.

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For regulars, you bet i put them in as soon as they walk in the door. They are there every week supporting my show, so i take care of them. I usually also populate their song too... .

Now if someone comes up to me and asks to be put in, they go in. So.. its in order of walk in or request.

Also, I don't use song slips. "This is a 100% 21st century green karaoke show, no song slips required. You tell me the name of the song, I'll get you up to sing it" ... as I announce once everything is up an running.

I will sing myself on occasion to change pace, or to start things off, but no, multi hosts are ridiculous.

And as others have said, the amount of effects is dependent both the song and the singer, and the acoustics in the bar.

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My regulars all know when the show starts they also know how signups work. They know when to get there and signup as soon as they walk through the door. If they come in too late to make the cut they just hang out with everyone else, it is the bar hoppers who complain.

Had a couple drive down from West Virginia Monday night to sing they got there late and only got one song each at the end of the night, they didn't complain or whine about it (in fact they never came up once in 2 hours to ask when they were up). I was suprised last night when they walked through the door at 8:30 and signed up 3rd and 4th on the list they got to sing twice last night. Reo made the comment before they left about the way the show was run, he said where they are from the KJ sings at the top of every rotation and does a dance set at the end of it and takes 1 to 2 minutes between each singer, he made comment about the fact that when one song finished the next one was already playing at my show and if the singer wasn't on the mic how I moved on to the next singer (he said he liked that).

The first thing I put out at my shows are the books and signup sheets, generally I have 15 singers on the list before I finish setting up.

I insert new singers in front of the rotation marker(which is me, I take myself out of the rotation but still place the new singer in front of me), my program has that feature. As to how soon he gets up is how close to being next for my turn. If my turn is next then the new comer gets to go next, If I had just sung then he would have to wait his turn until the end of the rotation hits the top of the list.

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Same here,, I get regulars every night, but they know they'd better be there before I cut off slips (for everyone - new or old) otherwise they don't sing - once I have enought singers to the end of the night, I take no more slips - period. New singers get worked into the rotation, but not 'right' up, they do have to wait about 20 minutes - if alot of new singers, then they get worked in between the old singers & have taken up to an hour or more for their first song and it's usually never more than 2 new singers at a time before someone that has been there all night. No waiting through an entire section of new singers.

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What has all this talk about rotations got to do with using reverb?

The OP in that particular thread did ask a couple of questions about reverb & rotation. Guess I could have just renamed that, but this merits it's own thread.

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Pretty much what I said, except I call it the end of the rotation, you call it the beginning of the next. The place is the same.

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Personally I don't think there is a wrong or right way to run your rotation or your show as long as it's consistent and fair. If you run it a certain way you should always run it that way.

I've been singing karaoke since the early 90's and have experienced all types of rotations, but as long as it made some sort of since and was consistent I'm fine with it.

There was one show I used to go to that would let a singer sing and then play a requested song (dance song or whatever). This went on all night. The bar was packed the dance floor was hopping and singers got to sing. The ones that showed up early usually got to sing two or three. If you were early and it was slow you could do 2 songs the first rotation and possibly get 4 songs.

Sure there were those who hated it and would count the number of singers and number of dj songs played and would complain that they could have sang X number of more songs, but for the most part it worked for this venue.

Most disappointments in life are due to not meeting expectations, whether those expectations are realistic or not.

If a patron regularly sings at one venue where its run a certain way, and you do it different they are less likely to be happy at your show than their regular.

You can't please all of the people all of the time, but as long as your consistent in your show you'll have a better chance of pleasing more by setting their expectation for them.

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I have seen all sorts of rotation including the "DJ" style where the host bas8ically put in songs that matched what was being song so the styles of music would blend in. The downside of this rotation style is that someone can get up to sing twice or three times before someone with a song that didn't fit the flow got one song. I personally am the type of singer whose songs do not fit in with the flow so it peeved me when I ended up going to a show with that type of rotation. Usually I would sing one song and leave. Once I even turned around and walked out because I saw who the KJ was(he was a "DJ" style host).

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The rotation style depends on the venue, the number of singers, the crowd and your location.

Trying to "Always do it consistant" is actualy rather a poor idea. While that may work for most cases, you are selling yourself and your venue short if you try stick to that, and I'll give you a prime example.

At my Friday gig, I start at 9pm. Usually, I have a few regulars there... 5 or 6, BUT the bar is still packed with dinner customers who DO NOT sing, and so forth. So, I will play dance songs at the end of each rotation.

As the night progresses, and the rotation becomes longer, the dance breaks become fewer, as frequently by 10 or 10:30 i'm on the second or third rotation, and am up to 20 singers.

Finally, as the night winds down, I will stick the newer singers in groups of three between those who have sang before in a staggered pattern. These late comers are also regulars, who work late or what have and couldn't be there when the show started. By this time I'm at 25 to 30 people, and I want to get in as many as i can.

then the last 8 minutes ends with two kick (@$%&#!) dance songs, to get all the drunk girls dancing.

I've been doing it this way for four years now, and this is the bigges show in the area, voted number one in the local paper, so I'm going to say, this works for this Venue.

At other bars, I stick to the more traditional, "Add to the bottom" rotation style.

The lesson here is, that you have to be flexible enough to make your show work for where you are and who is in front of you, and KNOW when its appropriate if you want to keep and get good gigs.

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That sounds like consistency to me.
And I beleive consistency is the key to keeping your patrons happy. As long as they know what to expect (first come first serve, new singer bump up, cleavage sings first, all out chaos, etc.) you will build a regular crowd that enjoys your method.

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just like there is a software for every host (except Joe ), there is a customer for each host style. somebody will dig what you do, some will not and come to my show instead. some will dig what i do, some will not and go to your show instead. i agree that consistency is the key no matter what method you use, make sure they get the same way next time and it will all work itself out.

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Indeed it is.

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