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Audioslave, you are out of luck only have two songs Cochise and Like A Stone on three different brands CB, PHM and MM.

The Audioslave song mentioned above we wouldn't allow anyway due to f-bomb drops unfortunately which is why I don't have it to begin with. Otherwise I have 11 Audioslave songs.

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Murray C wrote:
No thanks. I'll just take my money and spend it at a venue with a less egotistical host who gives better customer service.


Murray,

It isn't about EGO, it isn't about customer service! What it is about is the show and fairness. If you do it for one you must do it for all and then the show becomes a cluster coitus and the popularity of the show falls. I know this because I have been there, done that, and learned the lesson a long time ago.

I still get, "I have this song and I can sing it better with the origional artist". I don't let people get up and sing along when I am DJing and I am not going to allow them to sing along to an origional artist disc when I am KJing. That isn't customer service, it is a recipe for a business disaster.

But is it fair to allow one person to bring in a "non-karaoke" disc to sing to and not everyone else who wants to do it?


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Like most of you I'm sure, I'll keep my discs in the car. I'll always go with the version the KJ has in the book. Despite there being differences in versions, I think it's kinda rude not to but thats me. But if I want to use mine, before I go to the car, I always ask. For me its cool either way.

Another reason I'll bring mine is because until recently they only ran discs. And they weren't staying current enough were we go. So I'd get new stuff and it was like a bonus for them because the didn't spend cash.

Also, if your going out 1 - 2 times a week, singing the same ol' stuff gets old and you want something new. Something about it to be the first one too and not a song people have heard over and over.

But again, shows we hit now are turning laptop and are downloading / buying??? at that moment. So they're as current as possible. MOF, the one KJ doesn't even have the disc option.

It's nice to hear alot of you mention the customer "service". It shows you're out for us to have fun.

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KarenB wrote:
Moody Blues, there are over 20 titles for karaoke, most venues will have Nights In White Satin and that's about it.

Bobby Vee, there are over a dozen titles, most venues might have Take Good Care Of My Baby. If they have DK.

Gene Pitney, again over 20 titles. You may be able to find Town Without Pity, but most KJ's have no clue who he is.

I grew up with these singers and love their music. One of the things that got me collecting discs to begin with was chasing down every song by these artists. Rather than hauling around a couple of dozen original discs (most of which are out of print and no longer available), I've made up artist discs and take those with me. My Moody Blues disc even lists the Mfr., Disc and track of the original on the label so there's no mistake where the song came from.


Only ones being sung at my show, though I have more tracks for each singer:

Gene Pitney: Every Breath I take, Louisiana Mama, Man Who SHot Liberty Valence- and NEVER Town without Pity

Bobby Vee: ONLY The Night Has A Thousand Eyes

Moody Blues: ONLY Knights and Tuesday Afternoon

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You're right! I like to sing "For My Lady" and "The Story In Your Eyes" and "Town Without Pity" almost nobody has those.

I have "For My Lady" on a track that I constructed from scratch... I'll have to post it on the singers showcase.... It's pretty good.


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Legends #238 has "For My Lady" and "Lost In A Lost World" on it, though the copy I have has a production error on "For My Lady". Song ends then a couple of seconds later the last 30 seconds are repeated. No big deal if you know it's coming but was a surprise the first time I heard it.

Joe, that's the whole point, I don't expect the KJ to chase down every obscure track, unless like me they're a fan and do it for themselves 99% of them will never get sung. I'm on a Lady GaGa kick right now and at the moment have karaoke versions of her first two albums and am working on the third. Will I sing all of them? Probably not, but have them because I want them. Course it doesn't hurt that I have a couple of singers who love singing her stuff and do it well.

You're disc based so playing my disc is no big deal, but to those who are computer based, keep the ability to play the costumers discs. It makes them happy, which means they stay and spend money which makes the owners happy and the regulars get to hear songs they wouldn't normally hear.
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KarenB wrote:
Joe, that's the whole point, I don't expect the KJ to chase down every obscure track, unless like me they're a fan and do it for themselves 99% of them will never get sung. I'm on a Lady GaGa kick right now and at the moment have karaoke versions of her first two albums and am working on the third. Will I sing all of them? Probably not, but have them because I want them. Course it doesn't hurt that I have a couple of singers who love singing her stuff and do it well.

That's MY entire point. I don't expect every KJ to get everything - nor should they try IMO - that' bad business, unless the requested songs are there steadfast regulars. Bring in your discs - again I am trying to teach those to bring in their orignals explaning to them that only 2 or 3 discs would be needed on most nights.

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Joe, that's the whole point, I don't expect the KJ to chase down every obscure track, unless like me they're a fan and do it for themselves 99% of them will never get sung. I'm on a Lady GaGa kick right now and at the moment have karaoke versions of her first two albums and am working on the third. Will I sing all of them? Probably not, but have them because I want them. Course it doesn't hurt that I have a couple of singers who love singing her stuff and do it well.

That's MY entire point. I don't expect every KJ to get everything - nor should they try IMO - that' bad business, unless the requested songs are there steadfast regulars. Bring in your discs - again I am trying to teach those to bring in their orignals explaning to them that only 2 or 3 discs would be needed on most nights.


I get where you are coming from (both Lonnie and Karen and probably most everyone else).

But if you go to a halfway decent show the most you will get to sing is one or two and maybe if you get there early and stay to the end you will get a shot at a third song. there is a 99% probability that the KJ will have the exact song you want to sing at any particular moment, unless you are going through his/her book deliberately looking for songs that he/she doesn't have. If you are looking to sing songs that no one else is singing out of a now 18,000+ song library I think you might find one or two.

A long time ago Cue came to one of my shows and I went out and purchased two disc containing some of the Show tunes he brought with him, not because I ever thought he would drop in again but because if he liked them I figured someone else would too and it couldn't hurt to have them in my library. Since that time so many years ago several of those songs have been done multiple times.

As for anyone having "newer songs" than what I have in my library, I spend roughly $150 a month in update karaoke songs and they are shipped to my door at least one week before the month they come out for.


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Murray C wrote:
No, I don't think it is being rude to make a simple request that will enable me to sing a song of preference.

By the way, my disks are standard CD, not CDG... no lyrics, no logos displayed = no hassle for KJ. :)


It's not rude to ask, I will happily play any orginal disc (I will on occasion play burns for hoilday makers) - I personally wouldn't know how to use a flash drive, i can guess, but I also don't have any free ports on my computer and rather not have the issue of people thinking I was copying songs, I would however try (I'd be able to do it if you asked before the show began).

I won't however play a CD :cry: sorry. My customers have never seen someone sing without the scrolls before - they've seen people ignore the scrolls, change the lyrics but not a blank screen. They have however seen a TV switch it self off and they will shout at the top of their voices to let me know, essentially ruining your performance. Even if i forewarned them, I would still get the ones that didn't listen clamber over you to let me know something was wrong. (I had someone sing off their own CDG recently and I had a customer, interupt the performance to let me know that everyone's names had fallen off the bottom of the screen :lol: ).

For the odd occasion (if any) that someone asks me to do this, I would have to say no.

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People sometimes lose a bit of focus if there is just a blue screen but we got used to it at one show we used to attend. The host was a songwriter and many of the singers were songwriters and they would bring in their originals with backing tracks they had made. It was a very creative atmosphere and you felt you just got to see something special. If there had been rules against it or extreme fear of it, many magic moments would have been lost.


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A friend of mine used to bring in some of his original songs on a CD on karaoke night and his singing was always well received. After I made CDG tracks for about 20 of his songs; the people in the crowd seemed to definitely pay more attention to the screen when he would be singing these songs and he really felt that it made for a much better karaoke experience for him. He even had people that had been listening to him for years ask if they could now sing some of "HIS" songs since now they could see the words on the screen.


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BruceFan4Life wrote:
There are plenty of software options that allow a KJ to play a CDG disc through various brands of CD drives. Most newer laptops will play a cdg using a simple program such as karafun or Siglos. The problem seems to be that so many of these computerized KJ feel like they have spent enough money already when they sprung for that loaded hard drive they bought online and they don't want to spend another penny on music or software to play someone else's music. That's why most of these shows don't last very long.

Harsh??? Why should I support a business that doesn't support my desires? When I want a hot dog, I don't go to McDonalds. When I go to a karaoke bar, I want to sing what I WANT TO SING; not what the KJ just happens to have. If I'm going to spend 40 to 50 dollars at a bar/restaurant; I should be able to sing the songs that I brought with me. If enough people complain to management about the KJ not playing discs for customers; the BOSS will either convince the KJ to provide such a service or he will replace him.....or he might just not care at all. Word of mouth is a great way to build a following. It's also a great way to kill a show's reputation with the singing crowd. Yes! Singers do talk to each other about what places are good and which places should be avoided. The first question I ask someone when they tell me about a new place to sing is "DOES THE KJ PLAY DISCS?"


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yea i went to a place they said if i dont have it on my 200k song selection u dont need to sing it... im like omg..... that explains why u have 4 people in the bar... lol

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200K songs means just ONE THING. Peg leg and an eye patch....IMHO

and no! I don't jump up and down and scream. I just show up and spend MONEY and expect to be treated like a VALUED customer.


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BruceFan4Life wrote:
200K songs means just ONE THING. Peg leg and an eye patch....IMHO

and no! I don't jump up and down and scream. I just show up and spend MONEY and expect to be treated like a VALUED customer.

Which reminds me, I went out last night to a bar for Karaoke, first time in years, and the books had on it: if you don't find what you're looking for, ask the KJ maybe we have it. The books stated they had over120,000 songs and the Host stated they actually had over 300,000 songs in their collection. Gave out hand sanitizers with the company name and contact info on it. Aside from the number of songs they had, every song that was sung while I was there except for one, at my request, was from SC. The books didn't have any indication what brand they were.

Oh yeah and the books weren't well kept at all, three sections of updates before the main list. Once I exceed two sheets front and back double columned of updates, I make new books. I also remake the updates interlacing the old updates with the new until I reach my limit. theirs was also sorted by title and I was thinking artist and blanking out on titles.

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yea i hear ya both but none the less how hard is it to offer service of playing a persons disc right? so they wont get my business for a few reasons i need not mention .. casue i dotn care how many songs tey have they still dont seem to have some i carry lol

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Sounds like they all need a kiosk.....


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c. staley wrote:
Sounds like they all need a kiosk.....

It's just you.

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Sounds like they all need a kiosk.....

You got one that runs on linux because that is the operating system they are running. Gee Too cheap to spring for windows, a hosting software, makes you wonder if they were too cheap to pay for their music. They are running pykaraoke which is freeware open sourced software.

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BruceFan4Life wrote:
There are plenty of software options that allow a KJ to play a CDG disc through various brands of CD drives. Most newer laptops will play a cdg using a simple program such as karafun or Siglos. The problem seems to be that so many of these computerized KJ feel like they have spent enough money already when they sprung for that loaded hard drive they bought online and they don't want to spend another penny on music or software to play someone else's music. That's why most of these shows don't last very long.

Harsh??? Why should I support a business that doesn't support my desires? When I want a hot dog, I don't go to McDonalds. When I go to a karaoke bar, I want to sing what I WANT TO SING; not what the KJ just happens to have. If I'm going to spend 40 to 50 dollars at a bar/restaurant; I should be able to sing the songs that I brought with me. If enough people complain to management about the KJ not playing discs for customers; the BOSS will either convince the KJ to provide such a service or he will replace him.....or he might just not care at all. Word of mouth is a great way to build a following. It's also a great way to kill a show's reputation with the singing crowd. Yes! Singers do talk to each other about what places are good and which places should be avoided. The first question I ask someone when they tell me about a new place to sing is "DOES THE KJ PLAY DISCS?"


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Bruce, do you jump up and down and scream?


Like Bruce, I like to sing from what I am comfortable with. That's why I bring my own personal compilation of songs burned from the originals I possess. And YES, I have been to many shows where the KJ has claimed to have 120K plus songs (or everything/anything that I could possibly want to sing), and yet, when push came to shove, they did NOT have what I wanted to sing, or they had it on some version that I could not sing from (due to inaccuracies in the words or music, or subtle differences in the version that threw me off). As for the KJ that won't play my discs (for whatever reason), well, unlike Bruce, that's not enough to make me walk out, BUT, I do talk to others and let them know about what happened. That doesn't mean I wouldn't enjoy the show, but some of us like to know whether we have that option available to us BEFORE we come to a show. Then, they can make their own choice as to whether they will attend that KJ's show in the future or not. Word of mouth can be a powerful thing.


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