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Maybe (speculation) no one has put it to the test because they do not think they could win>??>>! We always hear about those who won't submit to an audit or would take it to court, but never anything further.

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That seems to be true for all parties involved including the plaintiff.

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All you have to do is check. The action against DanDanTheTaxiMan from 2009 is still a valid and open action. SC has simply put the brakes on it..... been on hold now for over a year. Why doesn't Sound Choice simply "wrap up this case" if it's such an easy thing for them to do?

It would strengthen their position with new pirates wouldn't it?

It would set their precedent that they're looking for wouldn't it?

It's simply a road that SC really doesn't want to go down or they'd have already been there. And that speaks volumes.

And I will add that DanDan WANTS it to move forward, however, it is SC that is slowing it down and preventing that from happening. Wonder why that is?
My speculation is that they are hoping that given enough time, Dan Dan will cave. I seriously doubt that will happen any time soon.

That is the whole point though Sound Choice really doesn't want to go trough a jury trial or they would have already done so. They want you to pay 125.00 for an audit or rent their GEM series. They cannot afford to lose one of these cases, as it would negatively effect their new core business. That is being professional legal litigants, the thing is they are hoping to get everyone to settle before they get to court. In every case so far they have dropped the suit prior to trial, and then reinstated the suit after a few weeks. They do this in order, to wear down the persons they have filed against. They are playing legal chicken, I just wonder how long the courts are going to allow them to tie up the system, with bogus legal motions.

Roughly 6 to 7 years!

Or until they quit getting suckers to buy into their Ponzi scheme, and they are forced into bankruptcy, which will not be to soon for me.

Brian that statement you just made (quoted above) says alot about you and what your true motives are.
Why would anybody that loves karaoke want the finest producer of karaoke tracks to go bankrupt?
Do you fear the possibility of them (SC) coming to your city and visiting your show?
Just saying...

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They are all in the Mobile, AL area. I know 5 of them.

Just so you know, it is business as usual in Mobile. No one has shut down and no one named is worried about SC.

Thanks for the update!

Please keep us informed if anyone has settled or if anyone has been audited & found to be in compliance.

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Here's something to make the Cheerleaders happy- from ME, no less!

SC served a place in Blauvelt, NY about a week ago, naming the venue as well as the host, or at least the hosts's company (The host was a fill-in guy for the owner, who took that night each week off.)

Though in NY rather than NJ, the place is only about 25 minutes from me, tops. This physically the closest one to my area, despite other servings in NJ.

I have no idea whether piracy was involved or not, or whether this is just another "get the media shifter to pay" bit.

However, due to the proximity to me, and the fact that I know the fill-in host ( actually, I know him as a singer only. He only recently started hosting), I should be able to get a bit more first hand information about the process, which I would find helpful.

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" Disc based and loving it..."

Putting aside our differing opinions regarding their product being "the finest", Sound Choice has not really been a PRODUCER of new karaoke tracks - other than a tiny run of ONE disc in 2009- for several years.

Why would anyone with any ethics NOT want a company with a sole business plan of litigation for income to go out of business? What is the benefit of such a company's continued existance to anyone?

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" Disc based and loving it..."

Despite the lack of production of new material, SC maintains a significant catalogue of material that is still in high demand. And despite your characterization to the contrary, SC would still prefer to make its money from the sale of that catalogue (and from new music, if it were profitable to make it). The benefit of SC's continued existence is that its catalogue remains available to be acquired by the people who want to use it legally.

They can come see my show any time they want, they won't see their material in my song book or on my screen. Hell the area I play in is not even on their mailing list, cause I have yet to meet one host I know, or venue being sent one of their standard letters. My true motives are simple I started this business on my own. SC did not put up on dime, or help in any way to establish it, and yet they want to dictate to me how to run it. I did not go in this business to be a franchise host for SC. Giving them a cut of the profits on a yearly basis, I have no partners, I'm a one man show, and that is the way I like it. Just to old to change now.

Be sure to check back in with them in a few months.

That answers the question all the cheerleaders have been asking, when will there be new music? The answer never because it is no longer profitable to make it. Then how can Chartbuster, Stellar, and Pocket Songs continue to make product, aren't they in the same market place? They must have figured out some way to make their new music profitable, is there business models better than yours? I'm sure you would prefer for everyone to line up and buy your old library at the retail price. That would save you the cost of having to run down each individual host and put him or her through the ringer, and see what shakes out. Since the whole issue revolves around permission to format shift the trademark, wouldn't be better just to charge a license fee for being able to shift the product, from one media to another? You wouldn't have to pay investigators, legal costs etc.etc etc. It might be more palatable to the hosts as well since the legal hosts wouldn't be paying twice for what they already own, they would simply be paying you, for what you have said we don't own the trademark.

I stand corrected in regard to my statement about SC's business plan- bad phraseology on my part. My statement in regard to " ...a company with a sole business plan of litigation for income..." may be incorrect. I do not know for sure what their long range goals may be, or if they will change. I'm not sure they do either.

In my humble opinion, income from litigation is SC's primary focus at this time, and I believe that this is also the primary source of income for the company at this time. It would take quite a lot of disc sales to equal the income from one settlement, and I'm pretty certain that income from disc sales ( excluding forced GEM rentals from settlements) doesn't even come close to settlement income.

I'm sure that they derive some income from other sources as well ( studio rental, synergistic business tie-ins, etc...) but nothing to match the settlements for constant solid income....

Also, RLC described SC as " the finest producer of karaoke tracks". While "finest" is certainly subjective, the fact that SC no longer produces new karaoke tracks is not.

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" Disc based and loving it..."

i have to side with Ranger on this point. Chartbuster, Stellar and others can be profitable in making new music, why not SC? if it was just the piracy that made them close the studio (their words, not mine, http://thekiaa.org/images/ComplaintLadyLuckFiled.pdfpage 3 lines 9 - 19) then why can these other companies be more profitable? why are people still buying CB and Stellar and others but not SC?

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Chartbuster has already stated that they may be looking at curtailing new releases, don't be suprised if Stellar does the same thing in the very near future. Both have been exploring new delivery methods to curtail theft of their product (which by the way I can find both PHM and CB on a torrent site before a new release actually gets to my door in the mail).