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It would be easy to sequence them together with karaoke builder studio. Just rip the 2 bin files and put them in a sequence and it becomes one bin file. I just did it and it came out fine. Let me know if anyone wants it. But only if you already own the disc already. OK?

Not reaching anything, including any conclusions, hence the question marks. What made you think I was?

What I understood was that the discs are ordered through the Sound Choice site, but FROM Clark in Australia.

This would bring up two QUESTIONS:

1) Are these items being imported from Clark in Australia (I now know that the answer is yes).

2) The second QUESTION would be are they actually being ordered direct by the consumer, or is Sound Choice bringing in these discs for U.S. re-sale to the consumer? The answer to this is that I don't know, which is why I ASKED.

If SC receives any payment for this disc in any way, then it is not a consumer direct sale. If they receive NO payment, than it IS a direct sale- and the Clark link is just a convenience put on their site for some reason.

So again, no reach ( and no reason to think I was), but a request for information.

However, a third question comes to mind. Does SC actually show any ownership -in part or whole- of Clark anywhere?

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I am pretty sure they are being sold directly from Clark in AU as I get charged an 'international transaction fee' for every order.

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What is the return address on the envelope? While this won't tell us if SC is receiving funds from the transaction, it WILL tell us if you are receiving these discs from Clark in Australia, or from another point located in the U.S., assuming it hasn't been re-packaged.

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I threw away my last envelope, but it defintely was an AU address.

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I have ordered several of these discs and they definitely come directly from clark music in Australia. The postal mark and customs stickers are very distinctive and hard to miss

Soundchoice has absolutely nothing to do with 'their' custom disks, they haven't for years since they sold their catalog.

The only involvement that Kirk had recently is the letter he sent to his brother recommending that permission be given to do custom discs again, and granting permission for the use of their trademark, that's it.

-James

this is an domain name check to see who owned the domain name for clark media.
it came back to the same company that owns sound choice.

Registrant:
Slep-Tone Entertainment Inc.

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: MYKARAOKECDG.COM

any ways all soundchoice branded karaoke song are liscenced in the USA
for use. doesn't matter what country they come from.

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Don't even go there.... it's a can of wormy worms....

your right, it doesn't matter where the music came from originally or where it was originally licensed what matters now is how it is licensed right now.

Once Clark Music got permissions they needed they paid for licensing to sell it in AU. This permision comes from the ORGINAL IP holders, it has nothing to do with either soundchoice or stingray. The licensing they pay makes it an Aussie direct to consumer product. Well that's how I see it and until someone can PROVE beyond a shadow of a doubt otherwise, i will continue to buy from them

I'd like to see that proof the same way... "beyond a shadow of a doubt" because there are LOTS of "shadows" going on here.

wormy worms.....

wormy,

wormy,

wormy.

And I'd like to know how clark music can possibly offer either Music Maestro OR DKKaraoke on their site... Sorry, but there's no friggin' way DK would do that and an impossibility for Music Maestro...

Chip:I'll admit, I don't have direct written proof in my possesion. But I do know that Australia has a Rights Society that deals with licensing these are the people that negotiate the contracts with the IP holders exactly like the MCPS in the UK.

Canada has the AVLA, but they wont touch karaoke, which is in my opinion is just short sighted and STUPID.

There is no such entity in the US to the best of my knowledge, which seems to me why so many people are against the concept, they just dont understand the way it works.

It is extremely easy to know where u stand if there is a rights society representing your area -as long as you pay the fees for the license you want, you are covered, end of story.

-James

Whoa there pard'ner!.... aren't you forgetting one link in this "IP Chain?"

It doesn't matter if a songwriter is listed with the Aussie's rights society because if they are re-distributing KARAOKE tracks, then there is the matter of the "owner of the SOUND RECORDING" which would be DK or Music Maestro.

I don't care if you live in Australia, you still can't steal a DK track and resell it as a karaoke track on disc or download claiming that the "original artists has been paid by the rights society." The rights society doesn't pay DK for the creation of the karaoke track. It's still theft from DK... or Music Maestro...

i know nothing about DK or music maestro maybe they got the permisson before they went out of business maybe they didn't. If thev did then they would still be able to make custom discs with these tracks legally. As far as I'm concerned tho, I don't care because I am talking strictly about stingray and soundchoice since that is the reason I am buying from Clark Music. These are the only tracks I buy from them.

If someone wants to investigate the other tracks, that's their right/problem.

Soundchoice custom discs are a perfectly legal product to buy and the SOCAN, ASCAP, BMI and the other one i can never remember make them legal to perform/use in the US and Canada.

If someone wants to take the time to do the research and prove me wrong, be my guest. Until that time, I'm not worried

-James

Maybe the moon really is made of cheese too....

So you don't have a problem buying from someplace that may (and I say "MAY") be selling bootleg/counterfeit/stolen or, in a more "gentle way" of saying; "Someone else's unauthorized product?

It's interesting that you'll say; "MAYBE they got permission and MAYBE they didn't." And then turn right around and say; "As far as I'm concerned tho, I don't care.."

And THAT'S the key isn't it? You really don't care who they might have stolen from as long as you don't get sued for it right? Why would you even care if they stole the tracks from Sound Choice? What's the difference? You're buying from "Clark Music" remember?

That's not quite true. I judge the PRODUCTS I buy, not the people. I care about products I actually buy. Its not my job to be a moral compass for other people. If it were, we would be arguing about whether or not Music Maestro deserves compensation for tracks that they allegedly stole/never paid for in the first place.

If I know or suspect that something I want to buy is illegal I will not buy it from anyone This is why I do not buy custom discs that sell tracks under the 'prodisc' label because there is no way to know for sure. If i want tracks from DK, MM or Priddis *the other tracks that are on the proburn label* then i will try to find the orginal discs. If I can't find them, I won't bother.

So to answer your original question, if someone sent me proof that Clark Music was stealing from soundchoice/stingray I would stop buying from them immediately. If I found out the discs I had bought already were illegal, I ALSO would write them and ask for permission to keep using them, and if they said no, I would pull them from my collection.

Obviously i can't do this with brands that are from dead companies.

Let's use a more personal example. Soundchoice sued you and said you were using their product illegally, you say that is a mistake and untrue. I have no evidence either way, so I will accept it at face value. If you had a set of DK discs that you were willing to sell me, I would buy them from you as long as I had an assurance that they were originals. In this case your previous actions or lack thereof are IRRELIVANT what matters is is the transaction I am conducting legal? Are my actions personally hurting anyone? yes it is legal, and no they are not.

The bottom line is the only person I have to answer to is myself and God. I am certainly not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, I only do the best that I can. In this matter, my conscience is clean. If you want to judge me, there is nothing I can do or say about that.


peace and blessings to you

-James

they removed all the 8125 songs from the clark media website.....

they are no longer available for custom disc's.....

wonder why this is?

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