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The toxicology report on Amy says she had no illegal drugs in her system. Maybe her father was correct when he said she had beaten the drugs 3 years ago but was having trouble trying to quit the alcohol. Too bad.

Amy will never be considered in the same breath as the 27 club. Just because she was 27 doesn't put her in that elite club. Period!

Still, it was a shame what happened to her.

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KingBing Entertainment C'mon Up! I have a song for you!!! [font=MS Sans Serif][/font]

To be fair, she was a much bigger star in Europe.


Some alcoholics die of overdose. Some die in car wrecks due to drunk driving. Some aspirate their vomit. Some convulse and bite their tongue. Some die of pneumonia. Some die of cirrhosis. Some commit suicide. We still haven't been given a real cause of death on Amy.

The proximate cause being what it is, the true cause is alcoholism. Amy Winehouse died of alcoholism. I don't judge her because first, there but for the grace of god go I, and second, I know that most of it is genetic and that it is not just a choice.

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[color=#ffff55]Mickey J.[/color]
Alas for those who never sing, but die with all their music in them.
-- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.

There has been speculation that she attempted to stop drinking cold turkey... which in many cases, can cause death if you drank as much as she was reported to drink.. and constantly.



I beg to differ with your observation.... to a point. That point being specifically that if alcoholism is a "genetic factor" then it IS something that can be prevented and it is prevented with education. Alcohol may be something very easy for someone predisposed to becoming addicted, but when it comes right down to it, no one (that I know of) has ever been held down and force-fed alcohol to the point of addiction. They do it willingly until they are addicted then they're stuck...

I don't drink for the most part, and if a patron ever sees me holding a beer or mixed drink, their first reaction is to grab their cellphone and take a picture. Not that I have anything against it, I don't. I just don't like the feeling of that kind of loss of control of my faculties... no matter the celebratory atmosphere. I have an arrangement with the servers: when someone wants to buy me a shot, they will tell them I do not drink shots - ever. But I do drink rum and coke.. so the server gets me a regular coca cola with a lime on the rim, charges the customer for a rum and coke, pockets the difference and I thank them politely like it's the best mixed drink in the world. Everybody wins: They think they bought me a drink, the server makes more money and I stay sober.

I've avoided the alcohol trap that has genetically "disposed" of a few of my family members, so even though it is possible to have a genetic predisposition, it's not unavoidable by any measure. Ironically, it was by the observation of these drunk individuals (now deceased) and their actions that cured me of alcohol before I ever got started. So in effect, they saved my life when they lost theirs - so sad.

It's simply very difficult if not impossible for some to get out of the alcohol trap that they willingly climbed into in the first place. They didn't know what they were really climbing into. The really sad part is when someone finally tries to stop and by that action alone, they lose their life.

It's a matter of education to those that are young.

It can. But the fact she had measurable amounts of alcohol in the bloodstream makes that unlikely.


True to some extent. But there are several problems in preventing with education. 1) You don't know in advance whether you have the factor. 2) Once you start drinking, you won't know you have a problem until it has you. 3) There is no unanimity that makes for an easy curriculum. 4) There are huge amounts of culture and commerce tied up in drinking.

As far as whether it is genetic, it is clear. When Native Americans drink, including Eskimo/Inuit, they almost always become alcoholics. In general, the longer a race has had alcohol, the fewer alcoholics they have.


We educate every child that they shouldn't use heroin. Doesn't stop 'em.

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[color=#ffff55]Mickey J.[/color]
Alas for those who never sing, but die with all their music in them.
-- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.

And therein lies the issue.
They still CHOOSE to partake, the same as of alcohol.
Even if there is pressure and even if they don't know if they are predisposed to become an alcoholic or not, they still CHOOSE to drink.
Sorry if you don't agree, but I think it's very much a choice of whether to drink or not and even continue to drink once they are addicted. The issue is not whether it's a choice or not, but really, it's how badly they want to stop.
How else to you explain reformed alcoholics who changed their lives by "hitting bottom"?
They made the CHOICE to stop and stuck to it, no matter how hard it was.

Big difference. With drinking, they watch parents, friends, movie stars, and others do it with impunity.


I don't care if you agree either. Alcoholics know it is up to them to stop -- once they have stopped. But that doesn't stop them from drinking. Self-knowledge doesn't work -- if it did you would see many, many more alcoholics get sober. Some of them retain the delusion you have -- that self-knowledge will do you good. So they die, or worse.

I liked it when Liza Minelli explained about being alcoholic and how she laughs when people say "use your willpower". She says:

"I am a three-time Tony winner. I have an Oscar. I debuted on Broadway at 17. I have given thousands of Broadway performances. I drove myself to become a dancer. And you are suggesting I don't have willpower? Puh-lease."


You talk as if you think you know something. You don't, but I forgive you. You can't know because you aren't an alcoholic. The best you can do is admit you don't know and accept the fact that recovering alcoholics know what they are talking about.

Your delusion is widespread. If it wasn't so widespread it would be a bit easier for alcoholics to get sober, but that isn't the way it is so we don't worry about it. We know that particular part of self-knowledge wouldn't do that much good either.

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[color=#ffff55]Mickey J.[/color]
Alas for those who never sing, but die with all their music in them.
-- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.

I find the elitist attitude in this thread disgusting. America hasnt been a relevant band in over 30 years. They never had a huge market and to say something like Amy winehouse didnt deserve respect for being a musician is lame. When she died lots of very big name artists showed her real respect. I expect as much from karaoke dj's that think they are all something they are not. You are not rockstars. Far from it. You, just like a sound man at a gig are service workers to make the MUSICIANS shine. While we need you to make us sound good. Your days are numbered. technology will make you dinosaurs soon enough. sickening to hear how people your age speak like children. None of you have the talent of Dan or Amy or any other world renowned musicians.If you did you wouldnt spend your lives bitching about pirates stealing music you didnt create .

And you know this "fact" how?
Not saying I am, but you can't possibly know that one way or another....
You assume much, as do many on this forum, and that is its downfall.

I should probably wait before commenting but oh well. Elitist? Who's the elitist? Personally I find your post disgusting.
Nobody here said they were rock stars. We are just service workers? If you came to this forum to run people down, please leave! You added nothing to this discussion!

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KingBing Entertainment C'mon Up! I have a song for you!!! [font=MS Sans Serif][/font]

I laid my cards on the table. Apparently you don't want to, that's fine.

If it were a total choice then you wouldn't see any higher incidence of alcoholism in different genetic groups. To me that is conclusive evidence. And given what I know of hundreds, nay thousands, of cases -- it is totally undeniable. So if you claim knowledge that can counteract all that, please show your provenance.

Again, I am not expecting to really change minds. I'll present my opinion as an alcoholic who has seen hundreds recover, hundreds relapse, and many, many, die. You can present your opinion as, well, your opinion.

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[color=#ffff55]Mickey J.[/color]
Alas for those who never sing, but die with all their music in them.
-- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.