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most of the programs can't play a CDG directly off the disc, that does NOT make them pirates. would that mean that just because mine DOES play right off the disc that i must not be a pirate while DannyG and Chip ARE pirates? be careful with generalizations, you might offend a lot of people.


OK, point taken. There is always a possibility that a person is using legally licensed software that can't play disks, and has legal copies of all of his stuff on his hard disk, or uses a service. I do not consider such a person to be a pirate, but I do not consider him to be a professional either. Is that fair enough?

Recently, my dvd rom drive died and I replaced it with what was claimed to be an identical one. Not so! The replacement doesn't read karaoke, but I'm stuck with it for now.
I used to be able to play customers' disks (for all the two times I've been asked in the last four years!) but no longer can. So that makes me unprofessional?
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most of the programs can't play a CDG directly off the disc, that does NOT make them pirates. would that mean that just because mine DOES play right off the disc that i must not be a pirate while DannyG and Chip ARE pirates? be careful with generalizations, you might offend a lot of people.


OK, point taken. There is always a possibility that a person is using legally licensed software that can't play disks, and has legal copies of all of his stuff on his hard disk, or uses a service. I do not consider such a person to be a pirate, but I do not consider him to be a professional either. Is that fair enough?


Actually, my system has an AS-222 karaoke player in it. You might not like the decoder but it will play discs and has a key changer. Nice to know that you would consider someone unprofessional if they can't (or won't) play your home-made (and most likely unlicensed) material. But it's only a double-standard if it's someone else right?


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And something(s) they can't sing along to either I'll bet. So you are a "performer."


More of an entertainer, I would say. I do like to put on a performance, but it is important to me that the audience enjoys the show. That's why I let my regular KJ pick the tunes. He picks mostly the French songs for me, and he encouraged me to produce them for karaoke, because people think it's cool. I suspect that he appreciates the novelty of being the only KJ in town who has singers doing four different languages, and if that is true, it's a good thing. It is very rare that I can get through a night without someone requesting my remix of Marcia Beila, with the cowbell solo, or those who are in on the joke of La Taille du Bambou want to hear it, because it's hilarious, when one knows what the song is about.

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I'm sure it's beautiful on it's own.... but a little out of place in a sports bar. Perhaps the karaoke club at Lonman's bowling alley would appreciate it more or Wall Of Sound's show where "edgy" is the in thing.


My friend, respectably, you are wrong. My French music is very well received, everywhere I've done it. Good music stands on its own, regardless of the language. What is true for opera is true for pop music as well. The hubby and I sang at the IP karaoke bar in Vegas, and people asked us to stay so that they could take pictures with us. Are we showing off, by doing English, French and German? Of course. Is there anything wrong with that, if people enjoy it?

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Yes, I do have 99 Luftballoons in German. The Lufthansa flight attendants love to sing that one. I doubt that I would get much use out of the others.


You've got to be kidding. Although it's not my favorite song, 99 Luftballons always brings down the house. People love it.

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Then I'd certainly like to know why you "do karaoke" because it appears that it's not to engage the audience to sing with you, but more to have them stare at you to enjoy your "performance."


Have you ever taken a song apart and reproduced every note of it into a soundtrack, then put it into a karaoke version and performed it live? There is no better feeling in the world. That is why I do karaoke.

As for people singing along, I don't care one way or the other about that. I tried to help someone with "Me N' Bobby McGee" one time, because the singer was struggling with it, and she got angry with me, so I don't sing along unless I have permission.

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And I'm not knocking your style because you are certainly well within your right to sing whatever you want however, having said that, as a karaoke host I prefer those that are there to sing along with their friends rather than a room full of performers singing foreign language songs... no matter how well they are done.


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Recently, my dvd rom drive died and I replaced it with what was claimed to be an identical one. Not so! The replacement doesn't read karaoke, but I'm stuck with it for now.
I used to be able to play customers' disks (for all the two times I've been asked in the last four years!) but no longer can. So that makes me unprofessional?
Give me a break!


I'll be happy to. First of all, does your DVD player play audio CDs? I can put my CDG in any CD player and it plays just fine, but many KJs have refused to do that much, or have somehow managed to acquire a computer with no drives, or are too stupid to understand how to play an audio CD on a computer. I don't need the lyrics on the screen. I put them there mostly for the audience.

You want DVD? I can produce karaoke in DVD format. It's very common in Europe. A professional KJ would ask if I can do DVD, or MP3+G, or find some way to play my songs. It's really not all that complicated. I mean...what do you do? Does your entire skillset consist of running one particular piece of software? Am I asking too much, for someone to know their career field and be able to handle anything that the customer wants?


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Actually, my system has an AS-222 karaoke player in it. You might not like the decoder but it will play discs and has a key changer. Nice to know that you would consider someone unprofessional if they can't (or won't) play your home-made (and most likely unlicensed) material. But it's only a double-standard if it's someone else right?


I don't know what you mean by a "double-standard", but according to our attorney, and my KJ's attorney, nothing that I do can get him into trouble, and that is all I'm concerned about. What are you concerned about? You? Me? My opinion about professionalism?


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I'm sure it's beautiful on it's own.... but a little out of place in a sports bar. Perhaps the karaoke club at Lonman's bowling alley would appreciate it more or Wall Of Sound's show where "edgy" is the in thing.

Never worked in a bowling alley FYI. It is a sports bar as well.

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Recently, my dvd rom drive died and I replaced it with what was claimed to be an identical one. Not so! The replacement doesn't read karaoke, but I'm stuck with it for now.
I used to be able to play customers' disks (for all the two times I've been asked in the last four years!) but no longer can. So that makes me unprofessional?
Give me a break!


I'll be happy to. First of all, does your DVD player play audio CDs? I can put my CDG in any CD player and it plays just fine, but many KJs have refused to do that much, or have somehow managed to acquire a computer with no drives, or are too stupid to understand how to play an audio CD on a computer. I don't need the lyrics on the screen. I put them there mostly for the audience.

You want DVD? I can produce karaoke in DVD format. It's very common in Europe. A professional KJ would ask if I can do DVD, or MP3+G, or find some way to play my songs. It's really not all that complicated. I mean...what do you do? Does your entire skillset consist of running one particular piece of software? Am I asking too much, for someone to know their career field and be able to handle anything that the customer wants?

Of course my DVD rom plays audio!
Your comment about KJs being too stupid leads me to believe you have a superiority complex.


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Recently, my dvd rom drive died and I replaced it with what was claimed to be an identical one. Not so! The replacement doesn't read karaoke, but I'm stuck with it for now.
I used to be able to play customers' disks (for all the two times I've been asked in the last four years!) but no longer can. So that makes me unprofessional?
Give me a break!


I'll be happy to. First of all, does your DVD player play audio CDs? I can put my CDG in any CD player and it plays just fine, but many KJs have refused to do that much, or have somehow managed to acquire a computer with no drives, or are too stupid to understand how to play an audio CD on a computer. I don't need the lyrics on the screen. I put them there mostly for the audience.

You want DVD? I can produce karaoke in DVD format. It's very common in Europe. A professional KJ would ask if I can do DVD, or MP3+G, or find some way to play my songs. It's really not all that complicated. I mean...what do you do? Does your entire skillset consist of running one particular piece of software? Am I asking too much, for someone to know their career field and be able to handle anything that the customer wants?


After reading through many of your posts, I have to say that I am quite elated that you don't reside in Michigan. With the size of your ego, I'm not sure we could fit any other patrons in the bar.

You seem to have a great deal of disdain for most KJs (at least the ones that don't do specifically everything YOU think they should do for YOU). If they don't, you characterize them as "stupid." My patrons are very happy, but I don't cater to one demanding diva over everybody else.

I guess it's a good thing you produce your own music (and I would imagine you obtain licensing for all of the songs you produce, correct?)

Karaoke is not art. It's about performing and having a good time. If I don't fit into your personal idea of "professional," then I think I can live with that.

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The worst are the ones I think of as "Sax and Dotty pirates" -- not that I know they are, that's just how I think of them -- who have a bunch of files named all different, with no version in the file name. They have no idea what versions they have, and you have to play it to find out.

Just wondering what it is about S&D that makes you think this?
I've never used the program, so I don't know.
Does it somehow change all the names of your files?

No, it has nothing to do with the program. It's just the program that all of these guys use. It's probably the one included on all the pirate hard drives sold around here.

All I know is that if someone is clueless about what they are running or what's in their library, 9 times out of ten they are running S&D. At least in this neck of the woods.

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My kiosk software shows everything you give it to show and includes the mfg numbers on a selection screen along with this graphic.


Where did you obtain the licence to use Robbie the Robot? I'd like to secure the rights to use Robbie in a project but I'm not sure how to go about getting the licencing. R2D2 would be a cool addition too!


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My kiosk software shows everything you give it to show and includes the mfg numbers on a selection screen along with this graphic.


Where did you obtain the licence to use Robbie the Robot? I'd like to secure the rights to use Robbie in a project but I'm not sure how to go about getting the licencing. R2D2 would be a cool addition too!


Pretty cool isn't it?

Depending on "your project" you'll have to work out your licensing on your own. Good luck and I'll give you a start: Contact MGM studios.


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Of course my DVD rom plays audio!
Your comment about KJs being too stupid leads me to believe you have a superiority complex.


Superior to what? When I hand someone a disk, and he gives me a dumb look and says, "What's that?", I have to assume that this person would be sweeping the floor if someone hadn't taught him where to click the mouse on the karaoke software. The same would apply if I met an airline pilot who didn't know what a propeller was, a truck driver who didn't know what a cabover was. Even though they may not use these things, they at least know something about their career field.


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Of course my DVD rom plays audio!
Your comment about KJs being too stupid leads me to believe you have a superiority complex.


Superior to what? When I hand someone a disk, and he gives me a dumb look and says, "What's that?", I have to assume that this person would be sweeping the floor if someone hadn't taught him where to click the mouse on the karaoke software. The same would apply if I met an airline pilot who didn't know what a propeller was, a truck driver who didn't know what a cabover was. Even though they may not use these things, they at least know something about their career field.


You namely. Are acting as though you are superior to everyone else on this forum. Whether they are singers (because obviously you're "better than everyone else") or they are KJ's (because you know everything there is to know about all the hardware, all the software, how a show should be run to accommodate YOU and how to be "an entertainer."

If you're that knowledgeable and skillful, why don't you get your own system and simply put on "karaoke concert night"... starring of course, YOU?


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Superior to what? When I hand someone a disk, and he gives me a dumb look and says, "What's that?", I have to assume that this person would be sweeping the floor if someone hadn't taught him where to click the mouse on the karaoke software. The same would apply if I met an airline pilot who didn't know what a propeller was, a truck driver who didn't know what a cabover was. Even though they may not use these things, they at least know something about their career field.


You namely. Are acting as though you are superior to everyone else on this forum. Whether they are singers (because obviously you're "better than everyone else")


I don't know where you got that from. I haven't said a word about my singing ability. I think you are trying to write something into my posts that is not there.

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or they are KJ's (because you know everything there is to know about all the hardware, all the software, how a show should be run to accommodate YOU and how to be "an entertainer."


I haven't said much of anything about hardware, but I do believe that a person who chooses a career field should know something about it. If you feel that you are a professional, and you can look at a CD and say, "Yeah, that's a disk", then nothing that I have said applies to you, so why get defensive about it?

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If you're that knowledgeable and skillful, why don't you get your own system and simply put on "karaoke concert night"... starring of course, YOU?


1. I don't know enough about the career field to be a KJ.

2. I don't feel that my singing voice is good enough.

3. I don't have the personality for the job.

The difference between me and "some people" who are working as KJs is that I know these things.


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1. I don't know enough about the career field to be a KJ.

2. I don't feel that my singing voice is good enough.

3. I don't have the personality for the job.

The difference between me and "some people" who are working as KJs is that I know these things.


However, you are fully qualified to come here label KJ's (that will do what you won't) as either stupid, unprofessional and a myriad of other insinuations including judging their whether or not they are an "entertainer" if they use a kiosk.....

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After reading through many of your posts, I have to say that I am quite elated that you don't reside in Michigan.


Me too! It's cold up there.

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With the size of your ego, I'm not sure we could fit any other patrons in the bar.


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You seem to have a great deal of disdain for most KJs (at least the ones that don't do specifically everything YOU think they should do for YOU). If they don't, you characterize them as "stupid." My patrons are very happy, but I don't cater to one demanding diva over everybody else.


Well, I guess if we can talk about me, it's only fair to talk about you in return, and you seem to have a problem with reading comprehension. Disdain has nothing to do with it. I'm the paying customer, and if your show sucks, for whatever reason that I happen to believe that it sucks, I'm going to walk out. You can take what I say with a grain of salt and you don't have to take it personally, or get defensive. It's just my opinion.

As for characterizing people as "stupid", that comment referred to people who don't know how to play an audio CD on a computer, and if that is not you, then what are you upset about? I'm not your problem.

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I guess it's a good thing you produce your own music (and I would imagine you obtain licensing for all of the songs you produce, correct?)


No, I pay someone to deal with that, because that is a job for someone who is good with people, which I am obviously not. I can't even throw out my opinion without making people upset and defensive.

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I would hope so. I don't think I could handle the stress of having your itty bitty feelings hanging on my every word.


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Well, I guess if we can talk about me, it's only fair to talk about you in return, and you seem to have a problem with reading comprehension. Disdain has nothing to do with it. I'm the paying customer, and if your show sucks, for whatever reason that I happen to believe that it sucks, I'm going to walk out.


I read quite well, thank you. You got the reaction you did here because you "threw your opinion around" in a way that came across as insulting and condescending. You're also right that you are a paying customer, but you're not the ONLY paying customer. No KJ is going to please everyone, but I think I do a pretty good job at pleasing most. People who come in to have a good time will ultimately have a good time. If you came into my bar with the same attitude that you came here with, I'd probably hold the door for you.

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As for characterizing people as "stupid", that comment referred to people who don't know how to play an audio CD on a computer, and if that is not you, then what are you upset about? I'm not your problem.


Has it ever occurred to you that there may be other reasons that KJs won't play your discs? I personally have the capability (and gee...I think I can handle pressing the button), but I won't. It has nothing to do with stupidity, or not wanting to please the customer. There are legal issues that are of a concern to our business, and you'll have to forgive me if I don't take you or your lawyer's word that it's all okay. There are too many people walking around with illegal burns, or Sound Choice discs that we may be accused of playing without permission. I'd rather not take any chances. So you're right...my bar would definitely not be the place for you.

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I take my own CDGs with me, and if a KJ can't play them, forget it. They won't have any of the music that I do on their pirated disk. Some of them can't even play a CDG as an audio CD, which makes me wonder what the heck they're using for hardware...a laptop with no CD drive?

At the show that I do regularly, I just hand my disks over and let the KJ pick my songs all night, his disks or mine. He's a professional DJ, and he knows the right song to pick at the moment, so let him do his job. Besides, it's kind of oddly exciting, picking up the mic and not knowing what you're going to be singing.

Sometimes I like to thumb through the book looking for ideas, especially when a really bad singer is performing. Keep the books out there, please.


Wow, really? If they can't play a disc, they are automatically a pirate? Do you know the difference between an opinion and fact? And just out of curiosity since pirates usually haven 100,000+ songs, how do you know they won't have that music? Is yours home made? Your off to a good start here on the forum!

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No, I didn't say that. I said "his disks or mine", which implies that I do songs out of the book, if the KJ picks them for me. I also said that I like to thumb through the books.

As for the music that I bring with me, it is stuff that a person can't buy anywhere in the world, and most people have never heard any of it. I don't do the "same songs", I'm always producing a new one, and people get a chance to hear something they've never heard in the United States.

And something(s) they can't sing along to either I'll bet. So you are a "performer."

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How much Rita Mitsouko does anyone have on their disk? I have Andy, Les Histoires d'A, Les Consonnes, Un Zéro, Marcia Beila, Ding Ding Dong, C'est Comme Ca, and La Taille du Bambou, and I'm working on the soundtrack for Nuit d'Ivresse.

I'm sure it's beautiful on it's own.... but a little out of place in a sports bar. Perhaps the karaoke club at Lonman's bowling alley would appreciate it more or Wall Of Sound's show where "edgy" is the in thing.

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Do you have Nina's 99 Luftballons, or the German versions of Der Kommisar, or Major Tom (Völlig Losgelöst)? No one does, which is why I started producing my own disks, for me and my husband to sing.

Yes, I do have 99 Luftballoons in German. The Lufthansa flight attendants love to sing that one. I doubt that I would get much use out of the others.

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I like to do a variety, and keep the show interesting, but I'm not going to do a show that can't play my discs, or at least take an MP3+G from a memory stick, because I put too much work into my music just to go do a show and sing the songs out of the book. That's not why I do karaoke.


Then I'd certainly like to know why you "do karaoke" because it appears that it's not to engage the audience to sing with you, but more to have them stare at you to enjoy your "performance." And I'm not knocking your style because you are certainly well within your right to sing whatever you want however, having said that, as a karaoke host I prefer those that are there to sing along with their friends rather than a room full of performers singing foreign language songs... no matter how well they are done.


For once, I agree with Chip.

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Yes, I do have 99 Luftballoons in German.

OoooH!
I've been looking for that one for ages!
It was a MUCH bigger hit here than the English version. No one cared to hear that one.
Where can I find a non SC version? Any clue?


Was in the states as well. #2. English version didn't come close to that lofty billboard position.

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