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Technically your right and when you update the drive they are sending it to you Digitally so I really don't see whats the difference

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Mrmarog wrote:""Technically, isn't it REALLY a digital download if it comes from a KJMHD? It just just doesn't have to travel very far. After all it is "digital" and you unlock/download & pay to play. I am assuming that CB TRULY does condone that kind acquisition of their music to be allowable for commercial use. Seems pretty gray to me and very "confusing". Oh, that's right "confusing" refers to trademarks only.""


Wolf wrote: "Technically your right and when you update the drive they are sending it to you Digitally so I really don't see whats the difference"

Thanks Wolf....now I AM "confused" Maybe I can sue.

Mrmarog

Ditto this.

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Having an established library already, the requests from my crowd for new music that's available from the compuhost hard drive amounts to about 2 songs per month, my per song cost (after purchasing a hard drive I don't need and software I don't need) would be close to $19 each song for my first year. It's just not a good business decision for me.

If those same songs were available through direct download I would be more inclined to buy them from Chartbuster rather than the international suppliers where I currently get most of my new music. In fact, I would likely purchase more than I need due to impulsively purchasing attractive titles that might never get sung (by anyone but me).

I really don't see the difference between updating my hard drive by direct download and updating the compuhost hard drive by direct download and would appreciate an explanation.

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Maybe for you their is no advantage. but for me the ability to be able to update the hard drive on a weekly basis and having the new song always availible at my show works out great.

and the initial cost is being covered by my guests at my show's. I tell them "i don't have the song in my library but it's available for instant download from chartbusters, if you'd like to tip or donate $3 to the cause i will download it now so you can sing it tonight."

my regulars often goto the kiosk and if they can't find a song they ask if i can get it for them. (the kiosk is the most updated list)

most are very willing to donate $3 to the karaoke music fund to sing a song tonight that i didn't have in my library. the others that don't want to pay just pick something different.

all my tips & donations go into the music fund to buy more credits.

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This is why you make a backup of the original hard drive.



No. The hard drive is simply a repository of the .SAF files (encrypted/locked). All the unlocking/connecting/updating happens in Compuhost. I copied the original drive, put it in my safe and use the copy at shows.



No. You simply use your backup copy. Now, if you don't back your stuff up (even your CD's) and they are destroyed, it's nobody's fault but your own.

It's been a fantastic addition for me. I unlock at least two or three a week, sometimes more. Usually new country songs.

OH so what you are actually doing is TRADEMARK INFRINGEMENT as you copied the hard drive!!!!

What make doing that any different than having multiple hard drives of you discs??? NOTHING which SC and the others are saying IS ILLEGAL.

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Now you are just being silly.



Seriously? The fact that you are even asking this question indicates you have no clue how the entire system works, which explains your fear.

The songs are locked/encrypted/worthless unless unlocked in Compuhost. Even Chartbuster advises making a copy of the drive.

http://www.chartbusterkaraoke.com/return-policy
"Our warranties do not cover content and/or data loss – back up the contents of your drive to a separate storage medium on a regular basis. "

OH yea I know exactly how the system works!!!
I'm not some snot nosed kid who got out of diapers yesterday so don't try to explain it to me!!!

I have nothing to fear and any manu that wants to check me out can do so ON MY TIME with out me paying for it as I have every disc that I have a rip for (unless of course its from one of the legal d/l sites then I have a receipt).

I do believe that CB was referring to when the said back up your drive was for music that you had already unlocked not the whole drive.

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CB has always maintained it is ok to keep a archived copy of the kjmhd in the event the original drive fails, and we all know dirves eventually fail.Cd's
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They actually do recommend you make a back up copy of the hd that locked files are on.
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OK, I normally don't get too far into this end of thing, but I see I that an exception should be made.

There is a HUGE misconception about what "media shifting" is. Mostly it's those folks who feel that if they buy product that is already in MP3 format and copy it to their computer ( no ripping neccesary), then thay aren't media shifting.

This is incorrect.

Ripping standard audio product to MP3 isn't media shifting, it is change of content ( deletion of audio information).

Media shifting is when someone copies from the original mfrs'. media to a different media.

Copying from a record to a tape is media shifting.

Copying from a tape to a disc is media shifting.

Copying from a disc to a memory card is media shifting.

Copying from a disc ( even if it's MP3), a memory card, or any other media to a computer is media shifting.

I'm not yay or naying here, simply pointing out the facts.

If you have MP3 discs like the CS GEMS, and copy ( no ripping) to a computer, you have media shifted.

If you have MP3s on cards such as CB's, and copy them to a PC, you have media shifted.

Just passing on info..... use as you please.

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OK after reading CB statement on backing up the HD I will have to admit they did say:

Chartbuster Karaoke is not responsible for unlocked content stored on this device. We recommend that you store your purchased content on a separate drive and have a back-up of all content. Unlocked content cannot be replaced by Chartbuster Karaoke. You are allowed one back-up of your unlocked content for safety.

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Our warranties do not cover content and/or data loss – back up the contents of your drive to a separate storage medium on a regular basis.

So what I'm wanting to know is can you get your updates to any HD or must it be to the original? If it's only the original and it crashes "End Game"

There must be something on the drive that tells the update portion of the site to release songs to you or anyone could purchase credits, get the songs and unlock them as long as they had Compuhost.

If CB would allow us to just D/L the locked songs on any HD to be unlocked at a later time it might be more interesting to some because it would alleviate the need to purchase CB's drive (thus relieving them of any responsibility for the drive) and could be available to any KJ. They (KJ) would still have to purchase credits and have CH to unlock them. I'm going to assume (from what I've read) that it is CH that writes the serial number into the song and that CB does not.

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To clarify another common misconception...

"Media Shifting" by itself is not at issue here! "Media Shifting WITHOUT Permission" is!

CB is obviously giving permission to media shift by the mere design of the KJMPHD system. Nothing hard to understand there

OK, here is how it works, I have a back up copy of my original hd and every time i recieve CB update files, I also put those files onto my backup drive as well. Also, you can unlock a song on each the drive only once and since the back drive is a mirror drive of the original it is also tagged with the same ID# as the original and any song unlocked from the backup drive will also display the the same ID# number as the original. Therefore you have wasted a credit unlocking the second copy of the original. And, no you cannot use the second song in a second system since it is already assigned to the first system (that would require a second KJMPHD to be purchased along with a second copy of compuhost. I hope I was able to try to clear up confusion.

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You may download new releases to any physical drive you like that has the proper file structure. In fact I download the new releases to my "show" drive (the copy) and periodically copy those new songs back to the pristine original CB purchased drive for safekeeping.

The only thing in the directory that I can see is the actual encrypted songs so CH must scan the directory and do a differential analysis to see what is considered "new". I haven't tried moving a bunch of songs temporarily to see if they pop back up as "new for download". Will have to try that.



That would be one helluva a download (11,000+ songs) and I am sure they do not wish to giveaway huge amounts of bandwidth unnecessarily. The cost of the drive AND song library is $199. A typical drive of that size is about $129 +/- ... BUT you get 50 free download credits with that purchase (an $85 value) so depending on drive costs you at least break even or even come out ahead on the deal. It's a win/win.



You are correct. Compuhost moves the encrypted .SAF file to the directory you have specified for unlocked songs, then decrypts it and serializes it.

But of course, you are not a snot nosed kid and already knew this. <--Relax...it's a joke!