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Rob Star
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:09 am |
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Joined: Sun Apr 17, 2011 3:27 am Posts: 210 Location: Denton Manchester England Been Liked: 0 time
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Here is an article from the north Hampton chronicle in the UK Quote: A SINGER with Down’s Syndrome was turned away from a karaoke night at a Northampton pub, after being told he was not good enough to perform.
James Smyth, aged 23, currently lives in Ryan QC Homes supported accommodation in Cherry Lodge, Northampton.
Over the past six months the Beatles fan has become a regular at Friday evening karaoke sessions at The Abington pub, performing Fab Four hits such as Hey Jude and Yellow Submarine.
But this week he was asked not to sing by organisers, who claimed he was not good enough.
Alex Duggan, Ryan Homes manager, said: “Our residents have been going to the karaoke for well over six months now, one of them for over a year.
“They meet friends who also have learning disabilities, and have dinner together at the pub and drinks throughout the evening.
“On Friday, the DJ who does the karaoke handed out song books to all the tables in the pub, but for some reason he didn’t hand any to the table our residents were sitting at.
“A member of our staff who was there thought this was a little strange as he normally gives us a book straight away.
“After a few minutes the DJ came over and informed my member of staff he was not allowed to let the residents sing on the karaoke.
“He didn’t give a reason, he just said he is told what to do and the owner pays his wages at the end of the day.”
Mr Duggan said the pub’s actions had come as a complete shock.
He said: “I know most of the people in the pub welcomed the residents with open arms each week, and they really have all got on very well.
“It has always been a busy night on a Friday for the karaoke and our residents being there didn’t seem to affect the numbers whatsoever.
“The residents would only sing one or two songs each week depending on how busy the pub was, and they were in no way ‘taking over’.
“I feel it is a great shame vulnerable people in our society can be treated in this way.”
Neil Bartholomey, owner of the pub and chairman of Northampton Pubwatch, said it had not been his decision to ask James not to sing, but that it had been taken by the person running the karaoke.
He said he had been “upset” by the whole issue, which he felt had been “blown out of proportion”.
He said: “James was asked not to sing purely on his ability in that he physically doesn’t sing. He just shouts words. There is no tune whatsoever.
“We do our utmost to make sure everyone has a fair crack of the whip and enjoys an evening, and we are trying to find that balance,”
Mr Bartholomey said he was not aware of any complaints being made against James’s singing, but said he believed people had left the pub on occasions because of it.
He said the pub was always welcoming to people with learning disabilities, and claimed the issue with James’s singing had been mentioned to his carers in the past.
He said: “If he came in and sang one song nobody would worry but sometimes these guys just want to come in and dominate the night.
“The karaoke is open to everyone but everybody who sings really badly gets one opportunity, not half a dozen.”
The statement from The Abington in full.
‘There is an element of talent in karaoke required to be entertaining for the enjoyment of all.
There are no physical reasons as to why any person cannot sing. However the definition of singing is to have a verbal skill. It is not to shout words down a microphone and for that to be called singing.
Anyone that cannot sing in the broad sense of the word can be asked to desist if the noise created would not be classed as singing.
The Abington is happy for all people of all abilities to have a go at singing. Should that audition prove to have a negative impact on the majority, they do not have an automatic right to inflict hurt and suffering on fellow customers.
The Abington embraces equality and wherever possible tries to ensure all people of all abilities finds enjoyment within the community. Until recently a member of staff who had Downs Syndrome, worked at The Abington every Friday. It was a sad day when he had to retire from us due to his forgetfulness and his ability to be in a safe environment.
James and his friends are more than welcome at the Abington and I spoke to James and he said thank you to me for having him. It was a shame that his carers decided to take him out of the pub as I think James would have preferred to stay. At no time was James or his friends asked to leave. James is a pleasant well presented lad, unfortunately he just can’t sing.
The Abington has a very robust equality policy and strives to ensure the experience for all its customers is of equal opportunity. We want people to return with friends, not depart and not come back due to a bad experience for what ever reason.
We hope James and his friends will come back and enjoy the best possible atmosphere created by staff and customers alike. With some help James may be able to improve his vocal skill and we would welcome his audition once more in the future. what do you folks think?
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TopherM
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:51 am |
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Joined: Mon Dec 20, 2004 10:09 am Posts: 3341 Location: Tampa Bay, FL Been Liked: 445 times
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Tough situation, but I think at the end of the day, if these guys singing was hurting the bar's bottom line, then the owner has to make that difficult business decision.
It really has nothing to do with karaoke, and it has nothing to do with the singer being mentally handicapped, even though it's being billed as that, it is just a matter of business. It is unfortunate that it has to be spun as a story of bigotry, when it is obviously far from it.
We had a similar issue with about 4-5 homeless guys coming into our bar for karaoke. They bought drinks, tipped well, and sang karaoke, but the owner kept getting complaints about their smell that permiated about 1/2 the bar, so he asked them to leave and never come back.
That's not a judgement on homeless people, it's just a simple business decision to protect profits, just like your story doesn't say "the bar hates the mentally handicapped," it says "we are running a business here, and don't have a high tolerance for variables that damage our bottom line over the long term."
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mrmarog
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:32 am |
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Joined: Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:13 pm Posts: 3801 Images: 1 Location: Florida Been Liked: 1612 times
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I too have a homeless guy (voluntarily homeless) that frequents my shows. He purchases occasional drinks and food, but mostly hangs around. His socilaizing skill is horrible and his appearance is less than acceptable. He has a "get in your face" way of talking to you which is totally unpleasant. My wife and I have dropped him off at his sleeping spots (hallways, etc), but I have reached my thresh hold with him and will not drive him anywhere any more. The owner wants him gone and so does EVERYONE else. I am sure that his continued attendance will have an undesireable effect on business, and then a decision will have to be made......HIM or ME.
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mightywiz
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:40 am |
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Joined: Thu Jul 07, 2011 12:35 pm Posts: 1351 Images: 1 Location: Idaho Been Liked: 180 times
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isn't that discrimination against a disabled person? I see lawsuit coming! if he or his family is smart enough to think of it.
discrimination and disabled in one lawsuit is very bad.
thats probably why the owner back tracked and issued a statement correcting the problem.
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TopherM
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:38 pm |
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Joined: Mon Dec 20, 2004 10:09 am Posts: 3341 Location: Tampa Bay, FL Been Liked: 445 times
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I think if anything the bar owner was MORE sensitive to this group of mentally disabled people than he would have been to the average person.
We sometimes have guys that turn in a slip then freestyle rap over the beat. My owner is cool with this if they keep it relatively clean, but they rarely do, and he'll literally pull people straight off the mic in the middle of their performance and tell them they're done, or ask me to talk to them after they finish.
He doesn't mind the dirty versions of Top 40 radio songs, but I'm under strict instructions to keep the harder thug rap out of my show, including the karaoke.
His understanding is keep the thug music out, and most of the thugs will stay out, which pretty much has proven true.
So, is my boss discriminating against thugs, or is he protecting his bar's product/brand/reputation?
Now read the above over again and substitute "mentally handicapped" for "thugs," and realize that it's the same thing, and legally, no court is going to prosecute you for either one.
This guy isn't asking the people not to sing BECAUSE they are mentally handicapped, he is asking them not to sing because it is hurting his business, and it appears he was pretty sensitive in the way he went about it.
This is NOT the legal definition of descrimination. If anything, it is unrational political correctness run amuck.
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srnitynow
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:43 pm |
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Joined: Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:00 pm Posts: 1096 Been Liked: 20 times
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If anyone bothers to read the OP again, they would see that this is CLEARLY a case of discrimination due to HANDICAP. In the OP, it is stated that the (dj) told the person in charge that the WHOLE GROUP were not allowed to sing. That is CLEARLY discrimination toward these people with the disability. Didn't say only the one person, (because he screams into the mic), but rather said the whole group wasn't allowed to sing. Instead of substituting (thug), substitute (blacks), or (minority), and see if it sounds like discrimination then.... Also, we've just had a thread on this EXACT situation, haven't we?
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mrscott
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:10 pm |
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Yep,, the same thing happened with me, except for the outcome,,, we DIDN'T ask them to stop. In fact I have been working with the ones who are the worst singers,,, and low and behold!!! they are getting better!!! It's called "patience & kindness". It's paying back in dividends. So, don't let anyone tell you that a "minority or a disabled person" is going to hurt the bottom line. In fact, they can actually become the "darlings of the ball", sort of a mascot if you will. We have come to love the one worst singer I have, and actually look forward to seeing him become much better each time.
In the situation of the OP, I think it's a disaster just waiting for someone to get it started.
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mightywiz
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:41 pm |
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Joined: Thu Jul 07, 2011 12:35 pm Posts: 1351 Images: 1 Location: Idaho Been Liked: 180 times
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the funny thing is if you have ever had a disabled person at your karaoke, they are the ones that acctually love to sing and have the most fun.... and I have always asked them to bring in friends with them. our good friend phil passed away from a stomache tumor that was untreated, but he came in religiously and was treated as normal as any one else. we paid no attention to his disability and i think that's why he kept coming back! only bad experience was when dale would get up and sing "kung fu fighting" you didn't want to be within kicking distance, not a lot of control in those kicks.
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leopard lizard
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Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 2:10 pm |
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Joined: Thu Sep 04, 2008 4:18 pm Posts: 2593 Been Liked: 294 times
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Score one for Chartbuster. They just printed the link to the same article and made the comment: "Some people don't know what karaoke is all about!"
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