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jerry12x
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Bazza wrote: People don't listen to music on a scope It has been said that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Possibly it has never been more true. Sorry Joe. I reject you as an electronics engineer.
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chrisavis
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I am not an electronics engineer or an audio specialist/engineer, but if I am not mistaken, wouldn't using a scope also provide different results each time unless used under very controlled circumstances?
Bars and Clubs only work under the premise of controlled chaos which, again, if I am not mistaken, kind of makes a scope shrugs it's electronic shoulders and just play along.
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chrisavis wrote: I am not an electronics engineer or an audio specialist/engineer, but if I am not mistaken, wouldn't using a scope also provide different results each time unless used under very controlled circumstances?
Bars and Clubs only work under the premise of controlled chaos which, again, if I am not mistaken, kind of makes a scope shrugs it's electronic shoulders and just play along.
-Chris Exactly. It is like using a microscope to go over every inch of a new car before you buy it, and then claiming the pigments in the paint are not true to the exact pantone colors and therefor flawed. 
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JoeChartreuse
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JoeChartreuse wrote: However, I also said that only a very small segment of the market will notice. No reason to get persnickety....  TO THE OP: Though not PC based myself, in my area MTU Hoster seems to be the most populr software, and from the singer's side, seems to do the job well. Pardon the self quote, but it seemed to get missed the first time. Of course, my personl forum trolls will simply ignore it. Since I am the one running the show every time, near the speakers all night, I simply don't wish to listen to MP3s. That simple. Why does anyone get bothered by MY personal preference? No life? Please note that I also threw in a recommendation for MTU Hoster. Personally, I also liked the bare-bones original PCDJ/KJ Red. I have no problem with people who run their shows on PC- it's the choice of the host. Why would anyone - personal trolls aside of course- care that I prefer to run mine with discs? As for Personal Troll Bazza ( I have 3: Bazza, MickyJ, and BFFL. If I stated that I believe in gravity, they would argue the point with me )- being an engineer he must know that what I have stated is true. Therefore I assume he is trolling. Go to it.
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JoeChartreuse wrote: JoeChartreuse wrote: However, I also said that only a very small segment of the market will notice. No reason to get persnickety.... TO THE OP: Though not PC based myself, in my area MTU Hoster seems to be the most populr software, and from the singer's side, seems to do the job well. I have no problem with people who run their shows on PC- it's the choice of the host. Why would anyone - personal trolls aside of course- care that I prefer to run mine with discs? Joe, I don't think anyone has a problem with the fact that you're running a show on disk, it's your choice and I'm sure people respect that  But it's what you say about mp3's that is all wrong  If you are hearing such a degradation in sound when playing an mp3, I strongly suggest you upgrade your equipment and or software because I don't get that degradation on my end and I do have VERY good ears  If you stay away from the mp3 subject, you'll see, people will respect your decision...
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Lonman
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Micky wrote: JoeChartreuse wrote: JoeChartreuse wrote: However, I also said that only a very small segment of the market will notice. No reason to get persnickety.... TO THE OP: Though not PC based myself, in my area MTU Hoster seems to be the most populr software, and from the singer's side, seems to do the job well. I have no problem with people who run their shows on PC- it's the choice of the host. Why would anyone - personal trolls aside of course- care that I prefer to run mine with discs? Joe, I don't think anyone has a problem with the fact that you're running a show on disk, it's your choice and I'm sure people respect that But it's what you say about mp3's that is all wrong This is pretty much the reason. The technical aspect may be dead on as far as being able to see the loss on a piece of scientific measuring equipment, but as far as anyone hearing/ noticing a difference between the disc quality ripped mp3 in a noisy bar over most basic karaoke systems is the main issue I believe people have. I have absolutely no problem with your decision with running discs - I doubt anyone does, that is your choice. Just tired of hearing about the technical loss between a disc & good quality ripped mp3 for those that run computers. _________________ LIKE Lonman on Facebook - Lonman Productions Karaoke & my main site via my profile!
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MadMusicOne
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My personal experience has been somewhat frustrating at times. When I first decided to try digital, it took me SEVERAL HOURS just to learn the "HOW TO." Then of course I purchased the software. I ended up with RoxBox Player (for my player) and Power CDG Burner (for my ripping). I started ripping at 128 bit rate and Maximum Reading Speed (as recommended) . Once I finished a rip, I would check each track, 15 seconds in the beginning, middle and end for graphic errors. If all was good, I would continue. If graphic errors occurred, I would go back and slow down the reading speed. Most of the time I ended up with a rip speed setting of 8x, sometimes 4x. I found that it's just too risky to set the reading speed at MAX. I usually can rip around 5 CDG's per hour. If I use two computers, it's double or ten per hour. I have over 2200 CDG's. I do have another 100 CDG's to add. One of my biggest issues is my library has a mix of different Bit Rate settings. Around 300 CDG's were at 128 and the other 1900+ are anywhere from 192 to 320. I really don't feel like re-ripping all CDG's but I know I need to. I got away from the zipped format and went to CDG + MP3 files. Makes it easier to change file names without going into properties of each file. I still do have some zipped files but am thinking about converting them to CDG + MP3 for the reason above. I'm also thinking about re-ripping all of those CDG's that are 224 or less. Perhaps in WAV. I have a 2 TB drive. I also have around 16,000 MP3 Music tracks along with the 30,000 plus Karaoke tracks. Some are the Pop Hits Monthly and Chartbuster Digital Libraries (Digital Tracks from their HD, SD Cards and MP3 Discs). So I can't change those! But all others are actual karaoke discs. I just think I can get better sound quality out of my rips with higher Bit Rate Settings. Perhaps I could just rip the music of each discs, delete the MP3 files from each CDG file and replace them with the new rips (320 bit rate or WAV). This way I could re-rip my CDG's at MAX Speed. Wouldn't have to worry about graphics since I could keep my graphics files, delete the karaoke music files and replace them with the newly ripped karaoke music files. Just have to make sure each music file name matches the graphic file name, right? Unfortunately I do have to agree that some CDG's sound better off of a CDG player vs. Digital/Computer but that could be me. Don't know if it's my laptops that I've ripped and play from, my rip settings, speed or what? I use an HP and Toshiba with factory Sound Cards. Any help would be truly appreciated. Sorry for the long post and thanks in advance!
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Bazza
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JoeChartreuse wrote: As for Personal Troll Bazza ( I have 3: Bazza, MickyJ, and BFFL. If I stated that I believe in gravity, they would argue the point with me )- being an engineer he must know that what I have stated is true. Therefore I assume he is trolling. Go to it. Like many of the other things you claim to know but do not, you need to look up the definition of a troll. Responding to blatantly false information is not trolling. Repeatedly posting false information after having been called on it however, is.
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ripman8
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jerry12x wrote: JayBird wrote: my locale karaoke store has been strongly against me going to a computer based system to do karaoke shows. He claims that:
• The shows lose their personal touch with the customers & become boring & dull for the audiences.
• The quality of the songs that are ripped to a computer are not nearly as good as the quality of songs off of the original CD’s. So you lose sound quality at your shows.
Ok... I can handle War and Peace only once in a while. Did not manage to read half of your post. (sorry) My advice would be to regard your locale karaoke store spokes person as being someone with real issues or on drugs. Happy new year. ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;  ! I agree. Really? What kind of ripping program is he basing his quality statement on? Difference should be unnoticeable going to digital. Why would the show become boring? The host has more time on their hands to interact. A boring show would be because of the host's skills and/or the songs being sung, not because someone went new school!
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ripman8
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JoeChartreuse wrote: jerry12x wrote: JayBird wrote: my locale karaoke store has been strongly against me going to a computer based system to do karaoke shows. He claims that:
• The shows lose their personal touch with the customers & become boring & dull for the audiences.
• The quality of the songs that are ripped to a computer are not nearly as good as the quality of songs off of the original CD’s. So you lose sound quality at your shows.
Ok... I can handle War and Peace only once in a while. Did not manage to read half of your post. (sorry) My advice would be to regard your locale karaoke store spokes person as being someone with real issues or on drugs. Happy new year. Jerry seems to be a bit one-sided. As for your store owner, I see his point to a degree: You do lose sound quality ( about 60% of all audio information is lost when you rip a disc to MP3), However, it's about 15-20% of people that will notice. Therefore it is up to you to decide if it is worth it to you to keep more customers happy. The "losing touch" statement is based on the fact that many new PC hosts are too busy playing with their new toy to work as hard on customer interaction as they should. We call this "Mr. Spock Syndrome" as these new PC hosts have a tendency to look like Mr. Spock, blue light reflecting off of his face in front of his sensors. These new PC hosts have a tendency to say "next", and go back to their screens...- ignoring customer reaction and the need to interact and be actual Karaoke Hosts. ////////////////////////// Sorry Joe but where did you come up with this? If you rip at the lowest speed, unlikely ANYONE can notice the difference. Maybe .009%. Mr. Spock? Why would "they have a tendency to yada yada,,,,,,,"? Show some facts that back this up. MAYBE a new host or a host just switching over may be a bit distracted the first time or two as they get used to it (just like a new host with discs is going to be distracted) but not for long and not even if they practice at home. They type in the song, tune in the singer, now they are free to interact. No looking for discs or loading discs. Sorry but in my 3+ years of experience (I know, I'm still a newbie) I've never seen anything of a disc based host that would lead me to believe this happened even once! Not even from bad hosts.
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MadMusicOne wrote: My personal experience has been somewhat frustrating at times. When I first decided to try digital, it took me SEVERAL HOURS just to learn the "HOW TO." Then of course I purchased the software. I ended up with RoxBox Player (for my player) and Power CDG Burner (for my ripping). I started ripping at 128 bit rate and Maximum Reading Speed (as recommended) . Once I finished a rip, I would check each track, 15 seconds in the beginning, middle and end for graphic errors. If all was good, I would continue. If graphic errors occurred, I would go back and slow down the reading speed. Most of the time I ended up with a rip speed setting of 8x, sometimes 4x. I found that it's just too risky to set the reading speed at MAX. I usually can rip around 5 CDG's per hour. If I use two computers, it's double or ten per hour. I have over 2200 CDG's. I do have another 100 CDG's to add. One of my biggest issues is my library has a mix of different Bit Rate settings. Around 300 CDG's were at 128 and the other 1900+ are anywhere from 192 to 320. I really don't feel like re-ripping all CDG's but I know I need to. I got away from the zipped format and went to CDG + MP3 files. Makes it easier to change file names without going into properties of each file. I still do have some zipped files but am thinking about converting them to CDG + MP3 for the reason above. I'm also thinking about re-ripping all of those CDG's that are 224 or less. Perhaps in WAV. I have a 2 TB drive. I also have around 16,000 MP3 Music tracks along with the 30,000 plus Karaoke tracks. Some are the Pop Hits Monthly and Chartbuster Digital Libraries (Digital Tracks from their HD, SD Cards and MP3 Discs). So I can't change those! But all others are actual karaoke discs. I just think I can get better sound quality out of my rips with higher Bit Rate Settings. Perhaps I could just rip the music of each discs, delete the MP3 files from each CDG file and replace them with the new rips (320 bit rate or WAV). This way I could re-rip my CDG's at MAX Speed. Wouldn't have to worry about graphics since I could keep my graphics files, delete the karaoke music files and replace them with the newly ripped karaoke music files. Just have to make sure each music file name matches the graphic file name, right? Unfortunately I do have to agree that some CDG's sound better off of a CDG player vs. Digital/Computer but that could be me. Don't know if it's my laptops that I've ripped and play from, my rip settings, speed or what? I use an HP and Toshiba with factory Sound Cards. Any help would be truly appreciated. Sorry for the long post and thanks in advance! :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Hey there, throw some spaces between there somewhere!
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ripman8 wrote: MadMusicOne wrote: My personal experience has been somewhat frustrating at times. When I first decided to try digital, it took me SEVERAL HOURS just to learn the "HOW TO." Then of course I purchased the software. I ended up with RoxBox Player (for my player) and Power CDG Burner (for my ripping). I started ripping at 128 bit rate and Maximum Reading Speed (as recommended) . Once I finished a rip, I would check each track, 15 seconds in the beginning, middle and end for graphic errors. If all was good, I would continue. If graphic errors occurred, I would go back and slow down the reading speed. Most of the time I ended up with a rip speed setting of 8x, sometimes 4x. I found that it's just too risky to set the reading speed at MAX. I usually can rip around 5 CDG's per hour. If I use two computers, it's double or ten per hour. I have over 2200 CDG's. I do have another 100 CDG's to add. One of my biggest issues is my library has a mix of different Bit Rate settings. Around 300 CDG's were at 128 and the other 1900+ are anywhere from 192 to 320. I really don't feel like re-ripping all CDG's but I know I need to. I got away from the zipped format and went to CDG + MP3 files. Makes it easier to change file names without going into properties of each file. I still do have some zipped files but am thinking about converting them to CDG + MP3 for the reason above. I'm also thinking about re-ripping all of those CDG's that are 224 or less. Perhaps in WAV. I have a 2 TB drive. I also have around 16,000 MP3 Music tracks along with the 30,000 plus Karaoke tracks. Some are the Pop Hits Monthly and Chartbuster Digital Libraries (Digital Tracks from their HD, SD Cards and MP3 Discs). So I can't change those! But all others are actual karaoke discs. I just think I can get better sound quality out of my rips with higher Bit Rate Settings. Perhaps I could just rip the music of each discs, delete the MP3 files from each CDG file and replace them with the new rips (320 bit rate or WAV). This way I could re-rip my CDG's at MAX Speed. Wouldn't have to worry about graphics since I could keep my graphics files, delete the karaoke music files and replace them with the newly ripped karaoke music files. Just have to make sure each music file name matches the graphic file name, right? Unfortunately I do have to agree that some CDG's sound better off of a CDG player vs. Digital/Computer but that could be me. Don't know if it's my laptops that I've ripped and play from, my rip settings, speed or what? I use an HP and Toshiba with factory Sound Cards. Any help would be truly appreciated. Sorry for the long post and thanks in advance! :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Hey there, throw some spaces between there somewhere! SPACES??? What's that??? You mean while I'm ripping CDG's??? ....
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Ron White is right......
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ripman8 wrote: Hey there, throw some spaces between there somewhere! When I see a block of text like that I can't read it. I find the sight of it like a brick wall to my eyes. No offence.
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ripman8
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MadMusicOne wrote: ripman8 wrote: MadMusicOne wrote: My personal experience has been somewhat frustrating at times. When I first decided to try digital, it took me SEVERAL HOURS just to learn the "HOW TO." Then of course I purchased the software. I ended up with RoxBox Player (for my player) and Power CDG Burner (for my ripping). I started ripping at 128 bit rate and Maximum Reading Speed (as recommended) . Once I finished a rip, I would check each track, 15 seconds in the beginning, middle and end for graphic errors. If all was good, I would continue. If graphic errors occurred, I would go back and slow down the reading speed. Most of the time I ended up with a rip speed setting of 8x, sometimes 4x. I found that it's just too risky to set the reading speed at MAX. I usually can rip around 5 CDG's per hour. If I use two computers, it's double or ten per hour. I have over 2200 CDG's. I do have another 100 CDG's to add. One of my biggest issues is my library has a mix of different Bit Rate settings. Around 300 CDG's were at 128 and the other 1900+ are anywhere from 192 to 320. I really don't feel like re-ripping all CDG's but I know I need to. I got away from the zipped format and went to CDG + MP3 files. Makes it easier to change file names without going into properties of each file. I still do have some zipped files but am thinking about converting them to CDG + MP3 for the reason above. I'm also thinking about re-ripping all of those CDG's that are 224 or less. Perhaps in WAV. I have a 2 TB drive. I also have around 16,000 MP3 Music tracks along with the 30,000 plus Karaoke tracks. Some are the Pop Hits Monthly and Chartbuster Digital Libraries (Digital Tracks from their HD, SD Cards and MP3 Discs). So I can't change those! But all others are actual karaoke discs. I just think I can get better sound quality out of my rips with higher Bit Rate Settings. Perhaps I could just rip the music of each discs, delete the MP3 files from each CDG file and replace them with the new rips (320 bit rate or WAV). This way I could re-rip my CDG's at MAX Speed. Wouldn't have to worry about graphics since I could keep my graphics files, delete the karaoke music files and replace them with the newly ripped karaoke music files. Just have to make sure each music file name matches the graphic file name, right? Unfortunately I do have to agree that some CDG's sound better off of a CDG player vs. Digital/Computer but that could be me. Don't know if it's my laptops that I've ripped and play from, my rip settings, speed or what? I use an HP and Toshiba with factory Sound Cards. Any help would be truly appreciated. Sorry for the long post and thanks in advance! :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Hey there, throw some spaces between there somewhere! SPACES??? What's that??? You mean while I'm ripping CDG's??? ....
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jerry12x wrote: ripman8 wrote: Hey there, throw some spaces between there somewhere! When I see a block of text like that I can't read it. I find the sight of it like a brick wall to my eyes. No offence. Hey Jerry....sorry bout dat. However, I guess if I don't want you to read something, in the future, I will just use Block Text. ....Just kidding.... Will remember for future use.
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Personally I say do it, there are many reasons why and I think most of the guys here have proven why. I have been running disk less for about 13 years now and if for no other reason to switch, I would say think about not ever having another scratched disk.... think about it..
And what to use when ya do, I have used ZipLaunch, RoxBox and Karma... all good but personal preference play a lot in what you like so just try them all and see what you like.
Good luck to ya!
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