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You got it.
Every single manu steals the disc.
That was the point of my post.
Nothing to do with microsoft at all.

I love the abba song Marionette.
Any karaoke track out there?

I may have misinterpreted what you were referring to.

This is a not a hardware vendor that is charging for driver updates.

This is a management service. It is entirely optional and for environments where there is a lot of change this may actually be valuable and might be a service that someone would consider paying for. It is a waste of money for the typical end-user.

It does appear to be a valid service though. In spite of that, I would never recommend it to any business, end-user or anyone else. Windows Update manages many 3rd party drivers and drivers are easily obtained for free. Most enterprise customers already have significant investments in Systems Management Software that manage the drivers and much, much more.

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System Builders and Big Box OEM's have different licening models. In the case od System Builder created machines I feel the end-user is better off because they get a "pure" Windows O/S disc without all the crapware.

-Chris

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Be clear on what you mean by upgrade.

If you are talking about upgrading from Vista to Windows 7 - Yes - You need a license for Windows 7.
If you are talking about "upgrading" your computer (ie; a 5 year old Dell to a brand new Dell) - in that case you will get a new license with the new machine.
If you are talking about "upgrading" you 5 year old home-built computer to a brand new home-built computer - No - you do not need a new license ***As long as you uninstall the Windows from the old machine, you can install it to the new machine***

-Chris

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Jerry - The manufacturer's do not steal the disc. I am short on time so i will have to address this post later today.

-Chris

<manager's have not shown up yet so.....>

When Dell licenses an operating system from Microsoft, we effectively give them 1 disc and a piece of paper that says they can use that disc to install it to XX number of machines. It is slightly more complicated than that but that is the jist of it.

The same applies to when a large company signs as Enterprise Agreement with Microsoft. They tell Microsoft "We need to install 100,000 desktops with Windows 7". We send them 1 Disk and a piece of paper that says they can install it on up to 100,000.

-Chris

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Yikes... I didn't think anyone would take me seriously.
Sorry.



This is the problem I have been having.
There is a lot of information out there.
It is conflicting or difficult sometimes to interpret.

From http://www.microsoft.com/oem/en/licensi ... .aspx#faq3

I have copied this passage...

"A. Generally, an end user can upgrade or replace all of the hardware components on a computer—except the motherboard—and still retain the license for the original Microsoft OEM operating system software. If the motherboard is upgraded or replaced for reasons other than a defect, then a new computer has been created. Microsoft OEM operating system software cannot be transferred to the new computer, and the license of new operating system software is required."

If the motherboard is defective, it can be replaced..

It does require a call to Microsoft tho..

My daughter has done this several times over the last few years..

The software detects the new hardware, and insists on a call..

I upgraded a HP workstation with a new Firewire card, and had to call.. No problems.. as long as you have a COA on the case..

This does sound a bit Big Brother.

I have made many alterations to systems.
If it's something like a T60 to a T61 system board
I normally get something like
"This system has changed significantly.
You must re register with microsoft.
I do and it is happy again.
It sounds like they have a
ven_8086&dev_9999 on all component parts.
I have not had a problem yet.

in this case Jerry, it is the OEM part. a retail copy can be moved to any computer after removal from the previous computer, OEM copies will not load on a different motherboard.

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Yes all my work is with OEM. Never retail.
It always see's the change.
Say's I must re register.
It does do and is happy.

Sometimes I image a "hope this will work system"
If the matrix driver was happy I would get away with it.
The rest works it'self out (if I'm lucky).

So far I have found OEM to be very forgiving.
I am still annoyed about the COA's though.
My boss can ship a ships container load to Kenya.
They email back "we cant read the COA's.
We mainly sell them with broken plastics and they get them cheap.
Don't know if they pirate microsoft or use linux.
Anyway they get their own back on ebay.

It is a reasonably uncommon occurence that a Motherboard on a Dell or HP gets replaced. in a home built machine or a White box it happens more frequently and in those cases it is also more like to be a retail copy of Windows which can be moved.

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All good info.. however, as Dell ships "Whitebox" computers for resale, so that is off the table, and

Yes, the infamous motherboard capacitor failures that grabbed many manus including Dell..

<-- Old fart, been there done that..

Working at a recycling place I can confirm that the Compaq D530 makes the loudest bang more often.
Beats Dell hands down.
The electrolytic's in their power supply's really suck.
Saying that I was an HP engineer previously.
I was break fix. Only ever saw faulty ones.

Windows 8. It is fast on the internet.
I did the beta upgrade on a T60 core duo.
Would only upgrade, would not do a fresh install.
T2400@1.83G.

Did a fresh install on a HP 6910p
T9300@2.5Gb

They are both fast on the internet.
Both using Microsoft video drivers.
Video is good but not yet able to watch movies.
Need oem drivers not yet made.
Movie is jerky.

If you have a spare hard drive available I would recommend giving it a go.
Free downloads are available.

To be clear - What you have is the Windows 8 Developer Preview. The Windows 8 Beta will not be available until later in February.

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Not to derail the topic, but I picked up some additional machines Saturday.. An IBM workstation, Core 2 Duo, and a Dell Precision 380 workstation Core 2 also..

Both with factory installed XP pro, rocket fast machines..

And then, I spotted a little 15.4 Acer laptop, running the magic OSX from Apple.. What a deal..

Complete with MS Office for Mac..

$150 for a hackintosh..

I grabbed it, and rushed home to play with my new toy..

I must say, I LMFAO when i discovered the MS Office for Mac was Spanish, and the WiFi did'nt work..

So, 20 minutes later it's up and
running Ubuntu 11.10

All functions work including the webcam..

A very fun Saturday..