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I assure you, at $125 per audit, SC is not making a profit.

Harrington.
Are you at all aware that even $125 is a serious amount of money for some people.
Not like it is earning related, is it.

I am quite aware that $125 is a serious amount of money for a lot of people, yes. There have been times in my life when writing a good check for $125 would have been impossible.

It is an amount that was chosen based upon the cost of running the audit program. It has very little if anything to do with how much someone makes as a KJ, except that it was chosen to be as low as possible under the circumstances, precisely because it's hard for a lot of people to write that check.

Sorry couldn't resist



A check? Hell yeah I can write you a check. I thought you wanted money!
- Jeff Foxworthy

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My statements, opinions and conclusions are based on my own personal experiences, observations, research and/or just my own $.02. I'm not a "cheerleader", but that doesn't make me a Pirate.

Quite frankly SoundChoice should have put some money away for a rainy day.
Does the money that these people have paid for the disks count for nothing.
The loyalty points are not working very well are they.
By the way... Really like SC music.

It absolutely does count for something. Without having paid for those discs, you would not be able to play that material at all, much less make a duplicate to a hard drive.

So they still can play them.
That's fine then.
I thought you wanted more money off them.
That's great news.

Harrington Rocks.

not completely true........he could have bought the Gem sets...

Just to be clear, having bought the discs means you can play the discs without any further payments.

If you want to copy the content over to a drive, you will need an audit.

Johnny, you can't "buy" the GEM series. That's licensed, and there are specific terms in that license about moving the content over to a hard drive.

well maybe buy or bought was the wrong choice of words, but when I give someone money for something.......sure feels like a purchase......anyway, point being......he could have went another route, and still been able to play the material......

I have stayed out of these discussions for the most part, but as someone who has paid for my music Twice (once when I originally bought my hundreds of Discs from '96 to '08 and again when I Paid for the GEM Series, Chartbuster 6k, and The Stellar CAP Certification).

I understand where sound choice comes from on this. How are they supposed to know who is telling the truth when someone says "hey, I bought all My discs legit but they were destroyed because of [enter disaster here]. also, are they supposed to lose money because they have to pay someone to do an audit of whoever in whatever part of the county they are in. And how does anyone know what these private auditors are charging sound choice to do these audits. with the amount of time involved in checking disc after disc against files in a hard drive, I know I would probably be charging about $250-$350 per audit.

I lost my discs in a storage fire (Stored in my 1971 Travel trailer on a friends 2 acres). If I hadn't been so cheap and had paid for a REAL storage I might not have been in this boat today. People who don't take the proper precautions with such a LARGE investment shouldn't be blaming anyone else but themselves for their predicament.

I hold no ill will against Sound Choice For the way they have chosen to handle this. In fact I would probably Do the Same if it was my company.

Just My Two Cents.

Forgive me if i misspelled anything.

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Sal "Kjmann" Esquivel
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I have my SC discs in an Upright Safe that is located in my basement. No one is going to be able to carry that out.

I filled in a lot of the SC as I thought, since they were no longer making music, it would be an investment.

I had thought that, during retirement, selling the SC discs, alone, would keep me busy and provide supplemental money.

But, you know, if word gets around to all the Venues that playing SC may be cause for a Lawsuit to the Venues, I've been leaning towards selling all the SC before they become impossible to sell, as no one would want them. Timing is everything with investments.

I have an overlapping show that I use to have both SC Foundations and a few other duplicate discs for play, but I pulled all SC from that show for fear of being accused of having overlapping SC displayed nights. That show has not been hurt at all by the loss of SC.

With the loss of SC, which would decrease my disc count drastically, due to duplicates on, just about, every disc, I could go back to using discs as, with other brands, with the exception of Chartbuster, there is very little, if no, duplicates...within Brands!

I could still use my Computer to PLAY the disc's Tracks, which would still make me DIGITAL, so I could, officially, give the finger to those who think that Computers would be useless if using Discs. The actual discs would be used in the CDROM...do something about that.

Or, I may decide to get permission from Other Brands that are actively pursuing it. I wouldn't mind, so much, as they are simply getting on the Band wagon. They were NOT the instigators and I don't hold any animosity towards them.

Many other Brands have been targeting the SC Library and are quickly filling in any gaps.

So all and all, I am, seriously, thinking of dropping the SC Brand as I do NOT want to be stuck with a, quickly becoming, useless investment.

Used SC disks aren't worth that much(a few discs are worth a bit), and the other brands are worth even less. You could sell your whole collection, and probably not have enough money to by the Gem series.

As I stated, "...quickly becoming, useless investment."

I spent thousands and thousands of dollars on a legal disk inventory because 1) it's the right thing to do and 2) I wanted to walk around without fear. Now come to find out I have to fear the audit anyway. Sound Choice will catch their customer -- someone they should treasure, not intimidate -- in the same net as the baldest-faced pirate.

That's what sticks in our craws. We spend a lot of money doing the right thing and we get screwed -- we still have to walk around in fear.

It is no wonder the music industry is hated.

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[color=#ffff55]Mickey J.[/color]
Alas for those who never sing, but die with all their music in them.
-- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.

People keep saying used SCs are going for next to nothing but when I want to buy one I don't find that to be the case. And even the major retailers who used to have them on sale all of the time have brought the prices back up.

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My statements, opinions and conclusions are based on my own personal experiences, observations, research and/or just my own $.02. I'm not a "cheerleader", but that doesn't make me a Pirate.

I don't know why anyone would fear an audit. Several people, inlcuding myself have posted our audit experiences. It was painless and enlightening. I didn't enter into with any fear at all.

-Chris

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-Chris

How about the time, uncertainty, and expense?


How long have you had your tracks, and how long have you been doing this? If you have built up your collection over a decade, from many sources and manufacturers, you might find provenance a bit hard to come by.

And if it is so straightforward, why won't Sound Choice publish a white paper on what you should do, what they are looking for, and a script on how it is supposed to go?

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[color=#ffff55]Mickey J.[/color]
Alas for those who never sing, but die with all their music in them.
-- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.

mckyj57 I pretty much asked the same question previously in this thread.



SC has apparently changed their policy on being able to use backups (copies of cdg's) in a show. That's fine (I guess), but how are we to know what's ok and what isn't if it isn't published.

If you make a policy and specifically if you change a policy shouldn't you let your customers know?

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My statements, opinions and conclusions are based on my own personal experiences, observations, research and/or just my own $.02. I'm not a "cheerleader", but that doesn't make me a Pirate.