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Well, right now, my life and my family's lives are all I care about. That is who I need to make money for. I am going to be a single host, not some big entertainment company. I am not looking to grow into a big company. I would be happy with a multi night single venue type situation. My buddy has a gig like that. He makes $550 a week off one place, 3 nights a week. That's all I want, something like that. He does that without SC, without CB, and without PHM. He bought a set of discs from a friend of his, 12 or 13 years ago, and has been using them ever since, while updating when he can. He updates with All Star and Party Time. It's what he gets at Wal-Mart. He's had some of his current regulars since he started. He gets new people, he keeps old people. He has competition, some comes and goes, some is regular. It doesn't effect him. We have a small area here. Everyone knows everyone. There is no big picture here. There is no need for a big picture around here.

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Ok, If thats the case then you won't mind giving the name and address of this venue so we can substanitiate your claims...

Jon

Why would I give you the name of the place?? I have nothing to prove to you. Are you going to come from Texas??

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I could have bet that would be your answer...And no, I wouldn't think of having to meet you or your posse. We would google it, maybe not, seeing how it's in Shangri la...

Jon

The place is called Club 41, it's in Venice Florida on Tamiami Trail. I don't know the exact address. Have at it.

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Sounds like your kind of place Bobby...

This place has a bad rep, and often deserves it. If there is no place else to go, flip a coin and either stop here or go home.
Pros: Sometimes they have a band, pool tables
Cons: Filthy bathrooms, not customer friendly

Jon

When was the revue from?? They have cleaned the place up. it had a bad rep because it used to be a biker bar, and there were fights there all the time. The owners cleaned up the place about 3 years ago. They remodeled, too. I just wish they would serve food, so they smoking would have to be moved outside.

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Pardon me.

I suppose you're right - I'm not "obligated" to do anything. However, proper etiquette does dictate at least an acknowledgement of thanks even for such a backhanded-compliment as you've demonstrated above. And I've done that.

I'm not surprised to see that you've so venomously refused this small acknowledgement and ignored the spirit in which it was intended in order to take the opportunity to lash out with another verbal jab.

How very grown-up of you.

August 2010

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The audit price is going up to $150, as we have re-calibrated the cost analysis and that is closer to the actual cost. We are starting to charge for the post-suit audit ($500), in order recover the unnecessary investigative and administrative costs. I hope that the message is clear: if you want to media-shift, don't wait to be sued.

I'm not sure why you think that $4,500 is unreasonable for a 6,000-track package with top-quality, faithful sound recordings at maxed-out MP3 encoding at 320 kbps. But no one is forcing you to acquire it.

And I don't know where you're getting $100 a year. The $4,500 covers the license fee for the first five years. After that, it's $100 every three years, not every year.

320 does nothing substantial to the listening quality... it does make the file 8 times larger than it needs to be for playing back in any "bar situation."

192 is "cd quality" so what's the point of simply making the file larger with a bunch of stuff you'll never be able to discern in a (theoretically) busy and noisy club?

The difference between 192 and 320 in a club environment is debatable, but the difference between 320 and 128, where many KJs choose to rip, is not. I am not sure if you're being serious about 320 being 8 times larger than necessary, as I don't think 40kbps would be fully recognizable as music. I suppose it would depend on the sound recording and the quality of the encoder.

However, 192 is most certainly not "CD quality" unless you're using your own dictionary. The CD audio bitrate is 1,441.2kbps, which is more than four times the data of the maximum bitrate allowed under the MP3 standard (320).

I prefer 320kbps as a means of somewhat future-proofing the quality. Who knows, I may decide to do private room karaoke where the ambient noise is much lower and the subtleties of the music are more discernable.Or maybe there is some technological leap forward where higher bit rates are more desirable.

If Karma supported FLAC I would rip to that.

-Chris

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Now your ignorance of digital compression and file formats is apparent. "larger" doesn't necessarily mean "physically larger."



CD is "lossless" or .WAV format if you want to simplify it. Even Sound Choice doesn't provide the Gem series that way. You can't have both in the same product.

You can split technical hairs all you want - it seems to be a favorite hobby of yours - but standing in a busy karaoke bar, 99.9% of the people in the room will NOT be able to tell the difference between 192 and 320...... Put them in a private room and they'd be hard pressed to tell the difference nor would they really care if they are there to have fun with their friends.

So what's the point? Because it isn't any "perceived difference" by the patrons.

Can you give me a definition of "larger" that is meaningful in the context of a discussion of audio compression that does not mean "physically larger"?



I have no idea what you're trying to say here. There is no generally accepted definition of "CD quality" that 192kbps can meet. Not even 320kbps is "CD quality."



As I said, the difference between 192 and 320 is debatable. The difference between 320 and 128, WHERE MOST KJs choose to rip, is not debatable.



Even if only 1 in 1000 patrons will be able to tell the difference, the 1 in 1000 who can will be impressed by the quality of the GEM series bitrate, instead of complaining about how it could have been better but wasn't.

I a bar situation there is no discernible difference in sound quality between 192 and 320. There isn't even a difference if you use WAV format, which is full CD quality. The ONLY way anyone would be able to tell is if they wore noise cancelling headphones the whole night. There is a large difference in size between formats in terms of hard drive storage space. To give you an example, if you fill a 1gb space, say an iPod, with 320kbs mp3 files you will get about 100 to 120 songs on there. While, filling that same space wit AAC files you will be able to fit twice as many, with just as good sound quality, perceptively.

As for a review from 2010, 2 years makes a lot of difference, especially in a town like Venice. Every bar has fights on occasion. There will be stupid drunks now and again. It used to be the norm at Club 41, but thankfully, those days are gone.

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Depends on whether your talking about "audio compression" or "audio file compression" or how the two are or aren't related. I'm not about to get into lengthy schooling here... you need a basis so I'd suggest talking it over with a staff member at SC.

There's no percentage in it for me.



1 in 1,000 is an almost insignificant number like: 0.001% Seems like the possibility of that ever happening are far less than mistakes made in court then... or winning a lottery on a scratch-off ticket....

It's not worth it.

For me.. storage is so cheap now that it doesn't matter .. give me the better sound even if no one can tell the difference.

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Yup! What she said.

What they said!!!

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