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 Post subject: Re: Chartbuster & SGB
PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 6:37 pm 
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The simple point of all this is why on Earth would CB say they have the rights to SGB if they don't. It certainly isn't for any legal or economic reason. I, and probably most others, don't see a sane rational reason to say you own a copyright/Trademark when you don't.

But I'm sure someone will come up with some convoluted, paranoid reason for CB lying about their ownership of SGB.


I find it interesting that you are so willing to accept whatever they say as the gospel truth when the reality is that they have been sued and judgments entered against them for millions of dollars (combined) for issues regarding the licensing of the karaoke products they sell.

But don't you know that CB and SC are the saviors of Karaoke?? Only them, and their customers matter in the karaoke world.

This schtick is getting really, really, tiresome.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 6:39 pm 
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The simple point of all this is why on Earth would CB say they have the rights to SGB if they don't. It certainly isn't for any legal or economic reason. I, and probably most others, don't see a sane rational reason to say you own a copyright/Trademark when you don't.

But I'm sure someone will come up with some convoluted, paranoid reason for CB lying about their ownership of SGB.


I find it interesting that you are so willing to accept whatever they say as the gospel truth when the reality is that they have been sued and judgments entered against them for millions of dollars (combined) for issues regarding the licensing of the karaoke products they sell.

But don't you know that CB and SC are the saviors of Karaoke?? Only them, and their customers matter in the karaoke world.

This schtick is getting really, really, tiresome.

It's not schtick. It's the way it is.

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 Post subject: Re: Chartbuster & SGB
PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 7:32 pm 
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Smoothedge69 wrote:
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timberlea wrote:
The simple point of all this is why on Earth would CB say they have the rights to SGB if they don't. It certainly isn't for any legal or economic reason. I, and probably most others, don't see a sane rational reason to say you own a copyright/Trademark when you don't.

But I'm sure someone will come up with some convoluted, paranoid reason for CB lying about their ownership of SGB.


I find it interesting that you are so willing to accept whatever they say as the gospel truth when the reality is that they have been sued and judgments entered against them for millions of dollars (combined) for issues regarding the licensing of the karaoke products they sell.

But don't you know that CB and SC are the saviors of Karaoke?? Only them, and their customers matter in the karaoke world.

This schtick is getting really, really, tiresome.

It's not schtick. It's the way it is.

No, in point of fact it isn't. You made an obviously absurd statement that was apparently going for sarcasm -- by definition that isn't "the way it is".

We get that you -- apparently for no reason since you have no investment in karaoke tracks -- are POed at someone for some imagined wrong. I say imagined, because no one has done anything to you.

I am a bit chagrined, myself. But then again I have spent thousands of dollars on music and stand a chance of being caught in the same net as a two-bit pirate. I resent a few things that the music industry has done. My umbrage at SoundChoice has more to do with the fact that they let it get this far, and that they as part of the music industry played ostrich for so many years when it came to digital rights. On top of that, the music industry paid off Congress to more than double the term of copyright. When you combine that with suing everyone in sight, the man on the street is really POed at the music industry for investing all that money in barratry instead of technology and business development.

That being said, if SoundChoice is going to do this, I think they are trying to do it in a way that is friendly to people who are trying to do the right thing. Their attorney spends a lot of time and patience to get this across, and I actually appreciate that. I have a little better feeling that if by some chance I were sued, it wouldn't be a huge deal to get out of it. It would just make me mad that I had to do this because the music industry had had their collective heads up in their nether regions for a couple of decades.

The point is, you've said your piece and you are getting tiresome. You have little standing because you are not a working KJ. Unless you have something new to say, or a new take on it, why don't you give it a rest for a while?

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mckyj57 wrote:
The point is, you've said your piece and you are getting tiresome. You have little standing because you are not a working KJ. Unless you have something new to say, or a new take on it, why don't you give it a rest for a while?

Meanwhile everyone else can argue this whole point?? You just want me to shut up. Why, because I don't agree with the way this whole thing has been handled?? Ever hear of the first amendment to the Constitution?? I am the voice of opposition, and have every right to voice my opinions. Meanwhile, I am not going to let a few people walk all over me, as they have tried to do. I don't see anything being said about that.

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 Post subject: Re: Chartbuster & SGB
PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:30 pm 
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timberlea wrote:
"The simple point of all this is why on Earth would CB say they have the rights to SGB if they don't. It certainly isn't for any legal or economic reason. I, and probably most others, don't see a sane rational reason to say you own a copyright/Trademark when you don't."

same reason they would not just believe me when i say i have all the discs i say i do. They want proof and that is ok to you, but if someone asks for proof of what they have it is unreasonable?

i just bought the Music Maestro trademark and now you have to pay me $200.00 per year for an audit or i can sue you for trademark infringement.
don't ask for verification, just do it.

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Paradigm Karaoke wrote:
timberlea wrote:
"The simple point of all this is why on Earth would CB say they have the rights to SGB if they don't. It certainly isn't for any legal or economic reason. I, and probably most others, don't see a sane rational reason to say you own a copyright/Trademark when you don't."

same reason they would not just believe me when i say i have all the discs i say i do. They want proof and that is ok to you, but if someone asks for proof of what they have it is unreasonable?

i just bought the Music Maestro trademark and now you have to pay me $200.00 per year for an audit or i can sue you for trademark infringement.
don't ask for verification, just do it.


Exactly. Any business person who lays out business funds without any verification of need derves to lose their business, because they never bothered to learn it before entering it.

If I walked up and said " Hi, I'm Joe, and you owe me $500", would you simply hand it over, or would you ask why, and then verify the debt? Some common sense helps when running a business as well.....

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Paradigm Karaoke wrote:
i just bought the Music Maestro trademark and now you have to pay me $200.00 per year for an audit or i can sue you for trademark infringement.
don't ask for verification, just do it.


Hold on there partner.... are you forgetting that I leased you that trademark?

You can mail my half anytime......

I'll be waiting....


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Smoothedge69 wrote:
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The point is, you've said your piece and you are getting tiresome. You have little standing because you are not a working KJ. Unless you have something new to say, or a new take on it, why don't you give it a rest for a while?

Meanwhile everyone else can argue this whole point?? You just want me to shut up. Why, because I don't agree with the way this whole thing has been handled?? Ever hear of the first amendment to the Constitution?? I am the voice of opposition, and have every right to voice my opinions. Meanwhile, I am not going to let a few people walk all over me, as they have tried to do. I don't see anything being said about that.

"Me too" or one-line sarcasm is not arguing the point.

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Ever hear of the first amendment to the Constitution?? I am the voice of opposition, and have every right to voice my opinions. Meanwhile, I am not going to let a few people walk all over me, as they have tried to do. I don't see anything being said about that.


Except you have no such right here. The right to free speech doesn't apply to a private forum such as this is. You are not entitled to anything here and cannot just say whatever you want. You will be suspended/banned if you break the rules.

We get you don't like SC. We get you think you might be harassed. Ditch your SC discs and move on.

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Ever hear of the first amendment to the Constitution?? I am the voice of opposition, and have every right to voice my opinions. Meanwhile, I am not going to let a few people walk all over me, as they have tried to do. I don't see anything being said about that.


Except you have no such right here. The right to free speech doesn't apply to a private forum such as this is. You are not entitled to anything here and cannot just say whatever you want. You will be suspended/banned if you break the rules.

We get you don't like SC. We get you think you might be harassed. Ditch your SC discs and move on.

"Methinks thou doth protest too much" - Shakespeare

The only problem is that I am not breaking any rules. I am not cursing, I am not calling people names, I am just disagreeing with the SC lovers here, and speaking out against the few people who have spoken out against me, and all but called me names. i think I should be able to defend myself. Disagreeing with people should not be a bannable offence. Forums are for debating issues, and that is all I have done. The problem here is that some just don't like what I have to say. Whatever. I will try to BEHAVE better. BTW, sarcasm is part of self expression, and everyone on here uses it, to one degree or another. Just sayin'.

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Smoothedge69 wrote:
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Ever hear of the first amendment to the Constitution?? I am the voice of opposition, and have every right to voice my opinions. Meanwhile, I am not going to let a few people walk all over me, as they have tried to do. I don't see anything being said about that.


Except you have no such right here. The right to free speech doesn't apply to a private forum such as this is. You are not entitled to anything here and cannot just say whatever you want. You will be suspended/banned if you break the rules.

We get you don't like SC. We get you think you might be harassed. Ditch your SC discs and move on.

"Methinks thou doth protest too much" - Shakespeare

The only problem is that I am not breaking any rules.

First of all, the management has asked that all people refrain from either starting or participating in any negative posts. You aren't following that. And as far as rules, I quote from them:

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* Make a long series of posts that say virtually nothing

* Hijack someone else’s thread to have a gossip session

* Make meaningless posts just to build up your post count

If you do this, the admins may warn you. After that, your posts may start to disappear.

You are making a long series of posts that say virtually nothing. Please stop it.

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I am not cursing, I am not calling people names, I am just disagreeing with the SC lovers here, and speaking out against the few people who have spoken out against me, and all but called me names.

Do you see them doing that now? Do you wonder why it stopped?

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i think I should be able to defend myself.

You can pursue that belief all the way to a ban if you wish, but the rules of this site disagree. If there is defense to be done, report your problems with a post and let the moderators deal with it.

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Disagreeing with people should not be a bannable offence. Forums are for debating issues, and that is all I have done. The problem here is that some just don't like what I have to say.

NO. We have not stopped points of view -- the endless wrangling that occurs shows that. However, there are standards on this site. You have been pushing it from the get-go.

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Whatever. I will try to BEHAVE better. BTW, sarcasm is part of self expression, and everyone on here uses it, to one degree or another. Just sayin'.

I am just saying that you need to lighten up and be nicer. And everyone, please PAUSE before you post and ask yourself the simple questions:

* Is it true?
* Is it nice?
* Is it necessary?

I encourage everyone to read the rules and heed them. Ideally no one would be banned.

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Bobby you have become like a constant drip on a rainy night. The the same old sound over and over and over...

Jon

Aw, thanks Jon. :roll:

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