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Are you suggesting that when I say I don't have anything to fear that I actually should? I thought you weren't a fear monger?

The covenant not to sue is not a pardon nor is it amnesty, which is what you seem to want from Sound Choice. There are terms. If I violate the terms, they can sue. If I don’t violate the terms, then I am golden.



Confirmed. You don’t sell fear at all, you just give it away for free. How generous of you.

The "plain truth" is you can’t move past the 1%. The “plain truth” is you will grab any snippet you can and twist it to fit your own agenda . As for mistakes that “will be made”, as venerable and life-experienced as you are, Chip, you WILL make mistakes between now and the time you are no longer on this earth. You are no more flawless than anyone or anything else. Why you continue to think that it should not be possible for anyone else to make mistakes when you will most certainly make plenty between now and when you pass is beyond comprehension.

By the way, you give me far too much credit. You seem to think that because I “confirmed” that it is possible to get sued that everyone, including yourself it seems, should uphold that as having some sort of authority. I appreciate the respect and honor you have bestowed upon me with this appreciation, but I don’t believe for a moment that you hold that it for anything other than to satisfy your argument.

The “plain truth” is this – not a single host that has gone through the audit process has later been sued. In that regard I see my odds of being sued as 0%. You on the other hand are much more likely to get sued. I am also using SC product at every single one of my shows while you claim you don’t use it at all. My hard earned and well spent money is being utilized with the products I purchased and yours are not. I would say that I am very much coming out ahead in this game. But what do I know? You have been at this for two decades and I have only been at it for less than two years.



You do broadcast far and wide. I see what you post on the Old Jolters forum, I have seen your posts on the Sound Choice forums, and we have all been bludgeoned senseless by your rants here. I am sure there are other forums but I honestly could not bear to expose myself to any more than I have to.



Chip, I assure you, it is a feeble attempt on your part to make me feel guilty or look bad in the karaoke community for assisting people that ask for help. I sleep well at night knowing that I have helped people do the right thing. You on the other hand, ignore pirates all-together and push a smear and fear campaign.



I am glad you are growing weary. Nothing would please me more than for you to just stop.

Your definition of insanity is “Expecting a different outcome from the same action”

YOU “explain the same thing over and over again” (which meets your insanity definition) because…..
the CHEERLEADERS “ask the same question a hundred different ways” (which does not meet your definition because there are a hundred different actions)

Also, insanity is actually quite rare – to the tune of about 1% of the world’s population – which just so happens to be a number you return to over and over and over again as if you are expecting something to change because of it when nothing is.

I am not a doctor, but one could draw an unsavory conclusion from that. And since my word commands such respect, you might be wise to get a check up.

-Chris

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REALLY Chris?? REALLY?? Thinking a bit much of yourself, aren't you??

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99% of your post is drivel....



And exactly what are the dates of those posts?.... was it 7 or perhaps 8 years ago?



"assisting people that ask for help" is my point exactly. It's nothing more than an excuse to help pirates keep their jobs. And that's all it is. You make money helping them... I get it.

Ignoring (i.e. "NOT helping") pirates is better for this "industry" and the "fight against piracy" than shielding and assisting them maintain their jobs... But you fight to make it sound like you're doing something worthwhile.... because you "make money" on piracy.... These are your admissions... once you strip away the flowery description you spew forth.


You have that backwards.... Asking the same question a hundred different ways IS the "same action" because you're asking THE SAME question....

Providing the same answer is "consistency."

And if you don't like reading the same answer over and over again then by all means.... DON'T. No one here is forcing to read my posts.... click the "ignore button" and make yourself happy.... Remember your avatar: "Feel Good!" So, go for it! Don't let me stop you....



Perhaps only from the pirates you're helping.....

Which is exactly my point. You have dedicated an amazing amount of time to beating up Sound Choice and what has it gotten you?



So by your own admission, ignoring a crime somehow improves the industry. By your own admission, allowing someone to continue stealing is better than, helping someone stop stealing and in fact, pay for materials they stole. By your own admission, allowing, if not encouraging someone to steal karaoke music is somehow better for the industry than me working with someone to pay for music they stole and pay for new music they acquire.

Okay - lets bury the flowers, I profited by approximately $300 by selling discs that I owned to people that wanted to buy them. You have done exactly the same thing. What exactly have I done that you have not?

You know about criminals commiting a crime. You allow them to continue to commit that crime. You intentionally keep the affected parties in the dark. One can easily conclude that you are actually intentionally inflicting harm on the industry.



Hold on, don't twist. I quoted on purpose. You aren't "answering", you are "explaining".



Chip - the only reason I continue to engage with you is to help ensure that new people that come to the forums don't succumb to your FUD. I am pretty sure the long time watchers here have you figured out. The new people here should be exposed to more than your incessant vitriol.





Hold on again. You were the one that elevated my words to the point that I have the power to "confirm" things and thus be held up as proof to your own arguments. You can't have it both ways. You just proven beyond a showdow of a doubt that you will take only the piece you need to fit your mission while ignoring the rest.

-Chris

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It's a statement of policy, which is within my purview, but I can respect that you don't want to take my word for it.



Did you think I was talking about you personally?

I did not intend for the term "you" to be restricted in any way. In fact, it applies to everyone. So it will apply to you, your corporation, and everyone else.



Now we're getting somewhere. You've moved the goalposts a little bit, but that's fine.

But I do want you to be absolutely clear on this point, because I don't want to keep going back to Kurt to ask for things. I'll state it again just so you can verify: In order to be valid, at a minimum, a guarantee like the one I posted (with appropriate modifications to make it clear it's not restricted to you versus your corporation, employees, etc.) would need to be signed on paper, by the owner of the company, with a notarized signature.

If I can get that for you (and I think I can), will that suffice for what you were requesting?

Why do you care at all? You spent such an amazing amount of time with your "Schlap Yeti" thread that you even took the time to post it on other forums where it resides today.... for fun? And then immediately turn around and offer to birdofsong to purchase our 8125's? Really?



"helping someone stop stealing?" Is that what you're calling it now? C'mon... be serious because your flip-flopping is creating whiplash..... On one hand, you claim you "report pirates" and on the other you "help someone stop stealing?"

Is this your justification for reporting pirates that won't buy anything from you? You're only "helping the lost souls" that do?

If I ignore a pirate... I'm not "helping them" am I?

Apparently you don't (or refuse) to see a distinction.



I'm not encouraging anyone to steal anything... that's the point.. and I'm not re-labeling something it isn't just to make it more palatable to the rest of the world.

If you really wanted to "help fight piracy" you'd only be reporting these same people you are "helping and working with" so that legal KJ's could have some decent work. But you'd rather profit from it while diluting the market with even more competition....

How exactly is that "helping" any legal KJ? It doesn't in my opinion.



You have admitted that you help, assist or even "work with" KJ's that you know are pirates to keep their jobs while selling them materials so they can keep their current gigs and continue to compete. At the same time, you claim to "report piracy".....

I think even you are confused on which way you're going.


Isn't this EXACTLY the same people you are "working with?"

(a) They are not legal, and even you call them "illegal hosts" instead of pirates.

(b) You allow them to continue to commit that crime... while you're "helping and working with them."

(c) You intentionally keep the "affected parties" (i.e. Sound Choice) in the dark (by not reporting them).

(d) One CAN conclude that you are actually inflicting harm on the industry.

Isn't that what is happening with you in a nutshell?


I'm not twisting anything and I didn't think you were quoting on accident. You just can't have it both ways. You can't insist that I fit the definition of "insane" for answering the same way time after time... I KNOW it's the same way.... every time. I'm not expecting a different answer each time. The cheerleaders are though.. so they simply rephrase the same questions over and over again hoping someday they'll get a different answer....





Then you must feel you have a worthwhile purpose, great. Explain it to the "new people" you're here to "help." No need to go 'round and 'round with me is there?



Where did you get the idea that I've "elevated" anything you say to any level whatsoever? You're a relative newbie.... I know you're all excited about this business and believe you have the solution to everything.....

If you drop your day job(s) and tried to survive only on your karaoke business, I think you'd have a different outlook.

Carry on.....

This is appreciated Chris in order to keep it fresh. I've been here around 6 months and it didn't take me long to figure him out. Surely anyone new to this forum with common sense will most certainly do the same.

Agree with CHIP on everything he states. of truth.

I started writing up a point by point response, and then I recalled a certain signature message from another audited/certified member -

"Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience."

I don't believe you to be an idiot by any means. In fact, I think you are quite intelligent. So were some of the most reviled people in history.

When the FUD reaches the appropriate level, I will jump into the fray again.

Carry on.....

-Chris

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What is FUD????

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FUD = Fear Uncertainty and Doubt

-Chris

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would you guys please learn to edit your posts!

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Sorry Folks, I decided to stop editing hoping to keep the debate on point.

-Chris

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Yes I realize that but when you have to scroll through 1/2 a page just to get to the end of the post its getting boring.

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