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I am opening a new thread on this subject because it seems to get lost on others.

Here is my question:

Why can't SC send out a general letter to anyone who requests it simply stating that ODB ( Original Disc Based Hosts) are exempt from SC's current litigous actions?

Such a letter could be sent to ANYONE without any verification simply because it would only be of use to genuine ODB hosts.

A PC host certainly would have no use for it, and couldn't show it to a venue, nor would a burned disc host.

It could certainly contain accurate instruction on how to spot original discs.

It would take no time to draft- simply state that ODB hosts are exempt, include instructions if so desired, and send it. It could be shown to venues, and the venue could verify for their purposes.

This would be a good PR move for SC, and it costs them relatively nothing. It would also give their name positive exposure in areas where the label is fading away due to negative connotation.

It would actually do SC more good than the ODB host, as the ODB host is by definition 1:1 and exempt. This letter would only be an add on for us.

So: SC, WHY NOT do something beneficial for your paying customers- for a change?

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I'll have to jump on your bandwagon on this Joe... Jim if someone has bought hundreds of CD's from SC, you guys should go out of your way to get them certified. Lets put a number on it, say 100, at 100 they have 2000.00+ invested. Thats real money and they're real customers...

Jon

Thanks, Jon. There is absolutely no reason why this can't be done. An "I'm working on it" answer would be unacceptable for this reason. They will either do it for their customers, or they won't- meaning they plan on trying to intimidate ODB hosts next- and failing, unless the ODB host is a moron.

As far as I know, there is no other answer. If ANYONE can give a good reason why this can't be done, I would love to hear it....

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Joe:

I'm not knocking the idea but without them visiting you just how would
SC know one is a disc based only?

Are you saying just send out a letter to anyone who requests it so
they can show perspective clubs?

Most clubs that I've been to wouldn't know if a KJ was playing
original disc or not.

I know of one for a fact that you can not tell what the KJ is doing
because he is in a booth with a slot and a small window and you
can not see his equipment to know what he has.

I like the idea but here again proof is what SC is going to want!

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For now, could you just show the Safe Harbor FAQ that says you have to have an original disc for each system? It doesn't specify what kind of system so that would seem to cover both. Even our owner understood it and only made the computer guy show his discs. The two disc hosts didn't have to prove anything to him.

Are you suggesting that the only KJ's that can be labeled as "certified" are those that have been visited?

If so, there's no incentive at all for SC to verify Joe C. or any other ODB host because there is simply no money in it and it becomes an expense to do so.

I can see them "scheduling" it...... for years.....

How else are they going to "Know for sure" that a KJ that says he is disc based only really is?
Anyone could say that they were just to get the letter.

In another post HL says something about a label (or something) that you get from SC
and to take pictures of your discs and upload it to their site to get a letter. What is keeping someone from getting a label(?) and taking pictures of somebody's else's discs?

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Yes they could, but here's the catch: The letter should state that the certified party is ONLY disc-based... and that would be ORIGINAL discs. This would do a computer operator no good at all, nor would it even help the burn-pirates.

It simply amazes me that SC won't do this to the very customers they've had (a) the longest and (b) in most cases, paid a much HIGHER cost for their music.

Maybe it's just my nose, but I smell a rat....



There's no need to even bother with that.

the question remains.............how many venues actually care, and what does certification get you?

there are 42 licensed KJ's in the country, and on this forum i have been on that list longer than anyone, nothing.

i agree that ODB hosts should be treated the same, but is it really to the point that they are being hurt at all? Since November of 2010 i have gotten exactly zip from it. all this hub bub over the last few years and i can think of 2 shows gotten by others that came from their listing.

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With only 42 certified KJ's in the country how many venues sought out a certified KJ and couldn't find one in their area? Did they elect to avoid karaoke all together? Could there have been a ODB KJ in their area that could have benefited from this type of letter/listing?

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My statements, opinions and conclusions are based on my own personal experiences, observations, research and/or just my own $.02. I'm not a "cheerleader", but that doesn't make me a Pirate.

it is like anything else, why would you sign up for, and pay for something that has no record of working? 18 months ago i got certified, not one of the promises have come to light. "get more shows" "get more money for your shows" "special deals for certified KJ's" nothing.
i am in AZ, lots of suits down here for years, overall effect for KJ's.....0.
except for venues shrugging at my certs, getting laughed at by others for being a "sucker" and going through the audit, watching my former boss continue with 7 loaded CAVS not being touched (reported several times), my former venue hiring said boss (the exact building i did my audit in) because venues don't care about certs.
i don't think SC purposly lied about it, i think they are in over their head and fighting something they have no control over. the venues still run things and the venues for the most part, don't care.
i just don't think all this arguing about ODB letters is worth the headache, computer based certs do not help, not having it does not hurt, i would think it would be the same with an ODB letter.

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I am sorry that things have not worked well for you in AZ. I can tell you that things here have improved and hopefully as kinks get worked out in your state you will start seeing some of the changes we have

hoping for Peace and lots of future work coming your way

Athena

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thanks Athena,

i am just so frustrated, i was first in line to hop on board i have gotten nothing but pi$$ed on from it.

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Kinda like all those that sent in $50 to KIAA.....where did the money go...what did it go for...
what ever got done by them????

Who's still a member and have sent in their yearly fees?????

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Here's one catch with the above that concerns me... Since this Certification (that we are referring to) would be coming from SC, it would have to indicate that it pertains ONLY to SC discs within said KJ's library. There would have to be some sort of clause included which mentions that the KJ may be using other Manufacturer brands, AND that this Certification has no bearing on those discs outside of SC's trademark. I have a few custom discs (mostly from SBI Karaoke), and they are burns. I do not own the original discs for these, as they were sent to me in Digital Format (which I had to convert to disc), thus, they are burns.






Maybe you could sue SC for false advertising.

For me personally (as an ODB KJ... very part time at that), I am not being hurt with or without said Certification. If worded properly (as I indicated above), it couldn't do me any harm, and I would just like to have it.

it is my personal opinion that any disc based host that wishes to be certified by SC or CB should be able to do so and be listed on the sites as DISC based hosts. I sincerely hope the programs for both companies are up and running smoothly ASAP.

Athena

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Lee McGuffey

Absolutely, I agree.

Lone Wolf, this is the kind of thing that drives me nuts, because it completely confuses and muddies the issue. I know you agree with me, yet you didn't read my post.

IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THE RECIPIENT OF THE LETTER IS DISC BASED OR NOT. Again, WHY?? Because a general letter stating that ODB hosts are exempt from the current SC idiocy would ONLY be useful to an ODB host.

It would be useless to a PC host or a burned disc host, because they are NOT ODB. They couldn't show it without risking potential business damage, right?

The letter, as described, could be sent to ANYONE! There is no need to "CERTIFY" anyone prior to receipt. What would a PC host do with it? NOTHING.

Get it? A general letter simple stating that ODB host are exempt is a gimme... Waiting, HL....

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" Disc based and loving it..."

JoeC,
I am sorry but I must disagree.....the fact that a host is ODB needs to be verified and made VERY clear to the venue owners. Otherwise the letter would attempt to be misused by hosts that have little or no discs.

Bright Blessings
Athena

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"if a man has integrity, nothing else matters, If a man has no integrity, nothing else matters."
Lee McGuffey

Athena, you're a sweetheart, but the post above makes absolutely no sense. Again, what I have requested is more of a PR move for SC. An ODB host has absolutely no real need to be ANYTHING but what they are. SC can't touch them. Please explain why "ODB needs to be verified and made VERY clear to the venue owners." An ODB need only be verified by the venue.

Please explain how the letter that I described could POSSIBLY be misused by a non-ODB host. Explain how a PC host could use it without damage to themselves. Explain how a burner could use it the same way.

Even more fun: explain "Otherwise the letter would attempt to be misused by hosts that have little or no discs."
. Huh???? An ODB host - that's NO COMPUTER- either has the discs, or has nothing to play.... Again- HUH????!!!

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