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c. staley
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earthling12357 wrote: Isn't circumventing their licensing protection method in such a way a lot like hacking a program, or purchasing a loaded drive or trading files? Wouldn't your end product be an illegal file? And if it actually could work that way (even unintentionally) wouldn't that be a major flaw in the KJMP that could/should lead to it being pulled from the market? That is, in effect exactly what is happening... The idea that the KJ is "holding the inventory" that CB can add -- or take away from -- based on licensing does contain a major flaw: When you redeem (or "unlock") a song, there doesn't appear to be any checks and balances to ensure that the song you're unlocking today, didn't have expired licensing 6 months ago if you're unlocking from a backup drive. So in effect, they are getting paid and a KJ is receiving a "no-longer-licensed" track for that payment. Looks like a giant sidestep to me...
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Paradigm Karaoke
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i dont see it any different then Garth gave licensing for 12,000 copies and not renewing. those 12,000 discs do not have to be recalled from the retailers backstock.
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Lone Wolf
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earthling12357 wrote: Lone Wolf wrote: CB tells you to back up the drive when you get it!
If you never let the original drive connect to get updates they can't
remove anything.
Connecting with only the back up drive they could remove stuff but if
you already have it unlocked and stored elsewhere what difference does
it make.
If they remove it you can always get it from the original drive.
I have a program that can check the difference between 2 drives and it
tells me if there is something on one drive that is not on the other, so if
they removed something it would tell you that the drives are not the same
and you could take the appropriate action to make sure that anything deleted
from the backup drive was replaced from the original drive and anything new
added to the backup drive was added to the original drive.....Did I loose anyone? Isn't circumventing their licensing protection method in such a way a lot like hacking a program, or purchasing a loaded drive or trading files? Wouldn't your end product be an illegal file? And if it actually could work that way (even unintentionally) wouldn't that be a major flaw in the KJMP that could/should lead to it being pulled from the market? NO it's not when you bought the drive it was on there and you paid for it. I think it is a flaw of CB's to delete it from your drive just because they lost licensing for it, you paid to have access to it. I believe that is one reason they tell you to back up the original drive right away. @RLC yep that's the one great little program and better cuz it's free.
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Lonman
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c. staley wrote: TommyA wrote: Beside that, they also have the facility to remove songs that were resident on the drive when you received it. Hopefully they will get on the stick and implement methodology to notify us when songs have been removed. Wow, what a rip. Either you sell them or you don't.... But to first sell them... then "take back" any part of your purchase seems a bit like a "bait 'n switch".... I would love to be able to "sell something" and than strip away portions after the sale. I don't believe that they should sell and/or transfer a copy of song that isn't licensed and that is in effect exactly what they are doing. because the only way you could actually get all the songs is if you unlock them ALL the minute you get the drive. As far as the Media Pro (unlocking system) I can see that as being no different than a disc that was recalled. You didn't actually 'buy' the song until it's unlocked, so if they lose licensing (or whatever) that they need to pull the song, if you haven't unlocked/purchased the actual song, then like a disc you are out of luck if it' gets pulled. Or like stated, make a backup immediately and if it gets pulled, use the backup to unlock - but that almost sounds like a new can of worms. _________________ LIKE Lonman on Facebook - Lonman Productions Karaoke & my main site via my profile!
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Lonman
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earthling12357 wrote: Isn't circumventing their licensing protection method in such a way a lot like hacking a program, or purchasing a loaded drive or trading files? Wouldn't your end product be an illegal file? And if it actually could work that way (even unintentionally) wouldn't that be a major flaw in the KJMP that could/should lead to it being pulled from the market? CB recommends backup up of the drive upon receipt as far as I have seen. But I kind of think the same thing as I stated above. _________________ LIKE Lonman on Facebook - Lonman Productions Karaoke & my main site via my profile!
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Smoothedge69
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Would that mean you have to remove it from YOUR list if they delete it from theirs?? And would they give you credit for those songs, since you bought them?? If they delete something you have then you are no longer 1:1. You may have a song not corresponding with the drive.
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Smoothedge69 wrote: Would that mean you have to remove it from YOUR list if they delete it from theirs?? And would they give you credit for those songs, since you bought them?? If they delete something you have then you are no longer 1:1. You may have a song not corresponding with the drive. When the song is unlocked it gets a serial number attached to it. That becomes your "proof of purchase" in conjunction with the event log that keeps track of your point purchases and what/when songs are unlocked. However, after unlocking a song if you do not make a back up and the file gets damaged or deleted you will have to unlock the song again.
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Lonman
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Smoothedge69 wrote: Would that mean you have to remove it from YOUR list if they delete it from theirs?? And would they give you credit for those songs, since you bought them?? If they delete something you have then you are no longer 1:1. You may have a song not corresponding with the drive. Once you unlock it, storethe unlocked version on another hard drive. If it's not unlocked, it technically wasn't purchased for use as of yet. _________________ LIKE Lonman on Facebook - Lonman Productions Karaoke & my main site via my profile!
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Smoothedge69
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Lonman wrote: Smoothedge69 wrote: Would that mean you have to remove it from YOUR list if they delete it from theirs?? And would they give you credit for those songs, since you bought them?? If they delete something you have then you are no longer 1:1. You may have a song not corresponding with the drive. Once you unlock it, storethe unlocked version on another hard drive. If it's not unlocked, it technically wasn't purchased for use as of yet. What I am saying is that after you unlock a song, and for some reason they delete it from the drive, that leaves you out of 1:1 correspondence. It's not like a disc where you have the discontinued disc, so you can still use it. Wouldn't you have to get rid of the discontinued song? That is something I think Gretchen may need to answer.
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Lonman
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No once unlocked, it's purchased, you would not need to delete. But I would store any unlocked song on another drive (again recommened by CB), and not the same drive is what i'm getting at. Main reason CB even states they are not responsible for lost unlocked songs if lost or damaged. Store on a separate drive.
If the song was NOT unlocked/purchased, then if it gets pulled for whatever reason, you are out of luck - unless you backed up the drive as CB recommends.
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Lonman wrote: No once unlocked, it's purchased, you would not need to delete. But I would store any unlocked song on another drive (again recommened by CB), and not the same drive is what i'm getting at. Main reason CB even states they are not responsible for lost unlocked songs if lost or damaged. Store on a separate drive.
If the song was NOT unlocked/purchased, then if it gets pulled for whatever reason, you are out of luck - unless you backed up the drive as CB recommends. How do you back up files that are locked?
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Lonman
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Plug in a USB hard drive & use Explorer to copy the contents of the unlocked drive to the USB drive. It's not like it's going to be illegal as even the backup drive in order to use anything on them, would still need to be unlocked through a purchased credit.
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Lonman wrote: Plug in a USB hard drive & use Explorer to copy the contents of the unlocked drive to the USB drive. It's not like it's going to be illegal as even the backup drive in order to use anything on them, would still need to be unlocked through a purchased credit. It sounded like you were saying to back up the whole drive, that's why I asked how to back up the locked songs. I know how to back up regular stuff.
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Lonman
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Smoothedge69 wrote: Lonman wrote: Plug in a USB hard drive & use Explorer to copy the contents of the unlocked drive to the USB drive. It's not like it's going to be illegal as even the backup drive in order to use anything on them, would still need to be unlocked through a purchased credit. It sounded like you were saying to back up the whole drive, that's why I asked how to back up the locked songs. I know how to back up regular stuff. I was stating that - I said unlocked mistakenly. When you get the Media Pro drive - you make a copy/backup of the entire drive (all the locked songs) before using it. _________________ LIKE Lonman on Facebook - Lonman Productions Karaoke & my main site via my profile!
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Lonman wrote: Smoothedge69 wrote: Lonman wrote: Plug in a USB hard drive & use Explorer to copy the contents of the unlocked drive to the USB drive. It's not like it's going to be illegal as even the backup drive in order to use anything on them, would still need to be unlocked through a purchased credit. It sounded like you were saying to back up the whole drive, that's why I asked how to back up the locked songs. I know how to back up regular stuff. I was stating that - I said unlocked mistakenly. When you get the Media Pro drive - you make a copy/backup of the entire drive (all the locked songs) before using it. Oh!! OK. Then back up the UNlocked songs, too?
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Lonman
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Well move them to a separate drive but I believe CB states to back up the unlocked songs as well - I would still put the backup on a separate drive than the KJMP drive.
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Lonman wrote: Well move them to a separate drive but I believe CB states to back up the unlocked songs as well - I would still put the backup on a separate drive than the KJMP drive. Of course. Backing up to the same drive would be dumb.
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hiteck wrote: I'm curious is the CB cert that comes with a large purchase a one time deal? Meaning does it not have to be re-newed?
I was under the impression the CB cert was $199 per year and not a one time fee like SC. My understanding is that if you choose to go hard drive only and have less than ten discs, you can certify without charge. At least that is what I have done. I only have six of their discs and that includes the two discs that accompanied my KJ Media Pro. I was recertified for no charge and no audit.
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Not quite done weeding out duplicates. Current count on my "12,000+" drive is 11,877 songs. I don't think there are too many more duplicates to find and remove.
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So far through letters A and B (song titles) 57 Chartbuster tracks not on the drive that I have from other previously purchased sources (E1-10, 100 song packs, monthlys etc.)
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