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Actually, Chip, SC has given you a guarantee that you will not be sued for playing original SC discs in a disc player.

You have misstated this several times, and you've been corrected on it at least once before. I don't know whether you have just missed it, or if you're ignoring it because it doesn't fit your worldview, but it has been stated on this board.

But make no mistake: SC guarantees that it will not sue you for playing original SC discs in a disc player.

No, "James Harrington" guarantees that you will not be sued if he is the lead attorney in your area... maybe... sort of... if you post signs, or make announcements or wave your discs in the air.... Even then it's iffy.... Emergency flares might help I understand along with a log sheet, legal release, pint of blood and whatever else can be thrown in.

"Sound Choice" a.k.a. "Sleptone Entertainment" who is ultimately responsible for filing these suits and hires other investigators and attorneys besides Harrington and his crack squad, has guaranteed absolutely nothing.

It will take far more than your simple posting on a karaoke forum for there to be a guarantee. I saw the game you just played on Joe C. Do you really think that what you claim here won't be taken apart by some little technicality later?

You can fool some of the people some of the time...

Is the word "you" in the above statements plural or intended solely for Chip?

I guess I missed the guarantee as I thought this was your stance

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Quote from Chip: "SC is also not guaranteeing that you won't be sued for using DISCS.... in a disc player."

Response quote from Mr Harrington: "Actually, Chip, SC has given you a guarantee that you will not be sued for playing original SC discs in a disc player.

You have misstated this several times, and you've been corrected on it at least once before. I don't know whether you have just missed it, or if you're ignoring it because it doesn't fit your worldview, but it has been stated on this board.

But make no mistake: SC guarantees that it will not sue you for playing original SC discs in a disc player."
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Actually, Mr Harrington, Chip is reponding to someone elses statement (Lonman), and that person does not have that exclusive guarantee that you offered Chip.

No, when I say this, I am speaking on behalf of Slep-Tone Entertainment Corporation, without restriction:

Slep-Tone Entertainment Corporation will not sue you for playing your original SC discs in a disc player, commercially or otherwise. Iron-clad guarantee, period, no exceptions.

That guarantee also applies to everyone except people who have (1) signed an agreement restricting their ability to serve as karaoke hosts or (2) been enjoined by a court from playing SC material commercially.

The word "you" applies solely to Chip. The guarantee applies to everyone else except people who are prohibited by court order or agreement from playing SC material.



After further review, we offered the guarantee as stated.

Nope, it's not that simple and not what you're making it appear to be. You're now truly misleading the public. You can't speak for SC even though you claim you can. I'll believe a guarantee when it's on paper, signed by the owner(s), not the staff attorney.


There it is again... ye ole nutshell game.... Is this the part where I'm supposed to ask "which guarantee statement?" or just trust something?

But doesn't this final ruling in that Arizona case, as discussed in the link below, say that the KJ who is 1:1 in that case has committed trademark infringement and agreed to by a judge? That's how I read it.

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Please don't confuse a consent agreement with a "ruling."

This was a settlement only, not a ruling,

Sorry, didn't mean to confuse.

However, it appears clear to me that the judge agrees that the mediashifting is trademark infringement unless authorized.

This should be enough for a common sense KJ to get the proper permissions from Sound Choice if they want to shift their discs to computer.

It was a consent decree.... there was no deliberation on any matters, let alone the mysterious magic of "media shifting".

What the court recognized was that Dan Dan and Soundchoice agreed not to make the court decide anything.

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No matter what Mr Harrington says in reference to his client Sound Choice, Mr Staley will try to twist, deny or whatever, to try and denigrate it or make it sound like it is invalid. This is on par with those who say man never landed on the moon despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. They will take a small anomally and say due to this that everything else in invalid.

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I disagree timberlea. I'll only accept a written guarantee from the company signed by the owner of the trademark. Not a representative. This way, there is no chance for any misunderstanding or misrepresentation.

Why do you find something wrong with that?

Well, whatever. But like I said, any common sense KJ would take this as a pretty good indicator that a mediashift, without permission, of Sound Choice discs, can bring on legal problems of trademark infringement upon oneself. Sounds best to get permission first.

Actually, it is the fact that soundchoice has decided to sue people for using computers that would indicate the use of a computer could lead to legal problems from soundchoice, not any decisions by any court (because there are none against a KJ who owns the tracks he plays).

But...

A common sense KJ would realize that going to soundchoice on bended knee to plead for and pay for permission to do something that he believes is illegal would not suddenly be engaged in legal activity just because soundchoice agreed not to sue him for a fee.

If that common sense KJ believes that the mysteriously magical "media shift" from digital format to digital format is truly illegal, then that common sense KJ should also believe that soundchoice is not the only party damaged by his actions since there are publishers, artists, writers, and other manufacturers who would all be affected on a level equal to or greater than the effect on soundchoice.

If that common sense KJ was acting out of his convictions of conscience, the only common sense move would be to contact everyone who has any intellectual ownership rights to every single one of the tracks he has transferred to hard drive on bended knee to aquire what he believes to be proper permissions and then of course he would remove all unauthorized tracks from his system.

The KJ who believes that "media shifting" is illegal but continues to use his "media shifted" tracks anyway because the manufacturer isn't soundchoice and/or hasn't sued him or can't be found is operating on the same mentality of the average pirate and might as well steal his music too...it's common sense.

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One shouldn't have to pay for that permission. Many other manus are GIVING that permission not SELLING it. Just as a "thank you for your business" they should give you the permission, not sell you the discs, then sell you permission to use them as you want. To me, that is pure greed, and what is wrong with the capitalist system.

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There is no 'guarantee' in life in general. Might they sue you by mistake - sure, who knows, they may name you in a suit mistakenly even never playing a SC disc.
COuld you be sued from someone because your microphone shocked them - sure.
Could you be sued from someone because a song you sang created so much controversy that they cause them to have a heart attack.
Can you guarantee me that i'm not going to get hit by a falling meteroite? No, you cannot put a 100% guarantee on ANYTHING!!! It would be unrealistic to think you can.
They don't purposely sue disc based users. If they saw a computer being used, that is where I could see the mistake being as one could not tell unless they are up there watching your every step that you are playing from discs or the computer - which I think was what happened to Rodney, he uses a computer for other things BUT karaoke.

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That's not fully true. I can give you an iron clad guarantee that I will NEVER throw a meteorite at you from the top of a ladder.

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Who knows one could fall on your house, you're cleaning the gutter and see it, pick it up while on a ladder & I happen to be on vacation taking in the sites or a stroll & walk by your ladder while you are up there & you accidently drop it on my head. You cannot guarantee anything - anything is possible, how 'probable' it is, is a different story!

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