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This is the thing tho.... How many of us (the average KJ) take the time to scour the public records in the US Court systems, and look up KJs in our own area (who we believe were sued)? Let's see... there's the possibility of you and Chip (and 1 or 2 others who have pulled up many SC cases right here). But, overall, what I have requested would be a lot easier.... I believe that SC should have something posted on their website that lists the names of KJs who had a default judgement made. Maybe a separate listing of KJs who have agreed to leave the business should be included too. I can understand and accept that details of the settlement should be kept under those "Confidentiality Agreements;" however, the fact that the KJ has or has not settled with SC should be mentioned on their site. It's nobody's business what the actual settlement agreement is/was, but it's also a given that these named KJs should be operating legally (or not operating at all) after this. A list like this would definitely aid in "Educating" the Vendors on who they should consider hiring, and what they should look for.


And as for most of the KJs here (just in this Forum), we have a pretty good idea who is operating with a legally owned library as vs someone who purchased an illegal Hard Drive (or is just copying/sharing files that they never purchased the originals themselves). The point is, this additional list on SC's website would make things easier to gain more cooperation amongst your fellow KJ. Whether we choose to report someone to anyone is for a different topic discussion.

The point was that it's NOT on there. There's nothing that says I can't. I bought the media for commercial use, and that's what I'm doing with it.

The constitution doesn't say anything about breathing. Does that mean breathing is illegal? When the DMCA is amended to include media shifting, then I'll give it some second thought. My lawyer agrees with me, so I don't really mind taking this to court.

just because it doesn't saw you CAN'T doesn't mean you CAN...do some research
and again DMCA has nothing to do with TRADEMARK and that is the basis for the lawsuits...it covers ONLY copyrights
Ask the anti-SC people on here...even they will be happy to educate you

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Actually, that's exactly what it means.



So feel free to point me in the right direction. I don't understand why you have this idea that we just have to do whatever some company tells you, even if what they're telling you isn't laid out by law, civil, criminal, or otherwise. I didn't enter into any agreement that said I wasn't allowed to do with the product I purchased whatever I wanted to.

Again, my lawyer agrees with me, and if I get taken to court, we'll see how it plays out. I apologize for the negative sentiment, but I trust the judgment of my lawyer over yours.



Who are you referring to when you say, "the SC people"? You mean the people that work for SC? I trust their judgment even less than I trust yours.

Then I suggest you read the US Copyright Act and Trademark Act, both available online for free. Both are very clear on what you can and cannot do.

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I have. The law states you can't bypass copy protection, and there are no copy protections on any of the discs I have transferred to the hard drive. I haven't bypassed anything, and therefore still within my legal rights to media-shift.

Obviously you haven't.

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Are you actually going to make a point, or are you just going to keep spouting useless posts with your fingers in your ears, going, "lalalalala you're wrong!"

I provided a link. The link says I can't bypass copy protection to media-shift. I haven't bypassed copy protection. What's so hard to understand about this?

Timberlea is our resident broken record. He posts the same exact thing every time he posts, and it is always about copyright law. I tend to ignore him.

The thing you have to understand about what Sound Choice is doing is they are going after TRADEMARK infringement. They know they can't get away with suing for copyright infringement, but they can sue for trademarks. The problem I have with them is that all the other mfrs will GIVE permission for us to shift their music, (even though some here do not believe that actually happens), while Sound Choice likes to SELL their permission and make you jump through all kinds of hoops to get it. I will be bypassing this problem by not using them. I will ONLY use those brands that I have gotten permission from without hoops. I am not a poodle. I don't jump through hoops.

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"Who are you referring to when you say, "the SC people"? You mean the people that work for SC? I trust their judgment even less than I trust yours."

NO I said "Anti-CS people"....and I listened to MY trademark lawyer...not SC

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And this doesn't constitute broken record????

Seems pretty stuck on the same thing repeated over and over to me?????

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You know what? After all that I have learned about the manufacturers these last few years, I believe certain facts may not be facts at all.

While pirates suck because they hurt other legitimate Karaoke Hosts' businesses, I'm starting to believe that they were not the cause of SC's and CB's changes in business plans. I think these changes happened due to nothing more than unbelievably bad managerial decisions that cost these companies a bundle in legal fees and losses (due to producing unlicensed tracks as well as other moves that weren't well though out), as well as alienated their customer bases.

Pirates are sure as hell hurting the hosting business, but I think the manufacturers pretty much did their own damage.

I'm not saying piracy didn't hurt them, but that I don't think it was the major cause of their problems.

Pirates have done a number on the HOSTING business- but they seem to have hoist themselves on their own petard..

My opinion only

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I say, that had the companies modernized as the technology did they wouldn't have this problem. DRM has been around for quite a while, and there is no reason why it couldn't be applied to karaoke songs YEARS ago, just for the purpose of tracking who has what. That would require downloads, but programs could be added to CDGs as well, like computer games. That would allow you to shift your music ONCE, which would require registration on the mfr site. Every disc could be registered only ONCE!! They could have done that 15 years ago.

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You are missing the bigger picture. CD+G's are dead, dieing, fading away. There is no need to re-write the laws as the NEED to media shift dies a little every day. In a very few short years there wont be a need to shift as you wont be able to buy anything on CD+G anyway, unless you go to the antique store.

Bingo....

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This definitely isn't true, considering most karaoke media exists on discs, while shifting is discouraged to the point where lawsuits are happening. It won't be for another several years that karaoke media exists mainly on a digital format.

There was a time when most karaoke existed on cassettes. Then most on LaserDisc. Now mostly on CD. But when you consider that very few manufacturers actually distribute ONLY on CD and most distribute in CD AND modern digital formats, it should be apparent that the tide is changing.

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