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I use the same software for ripping. Some Manufactures do work on MAX but I do think slower rip speed settings are better.

I use Audio Grabber, which has an Internet component that will pull artist/ song/ track #'s for you (as long as the disc exists somewhere on a database) which is a GIGANTIC time saver.

I'd say about 3-5% of my rips don't take for some reason or another, usually having to do with my older discs being scratched or cracked (no, I did not take great care of my CD's... was too busy working 8 shows a week to give a rip... see what I did there?).

I am also quite happy with my Rox Box player. Doesn't have too many bells and whistles but it works like a dog. Only problems I've had with it were of the shot myself in the foot variety. But the more I use it the more I like it.

I waited 7 years to go digital because, frankly, the idea scared me. I'm a bit of a technophobe. I would have gone digital in 2005 (when I started my business) but the price jump from CD-based to laptop was almost $8,000. My start-up costs were about $5,000. Would have been closer to $12,000 with a digital system way back yonder in aught-five.

I was also very fortunate to have a friend in the biz who set it all up for me remotely. The rest I've learned by trial and error. I've probably crashed my system 17 times since May of '11 just by futzing around with all the different doo-dad's.

Don't be stupid like me and you'll be fine.

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I think most of the rippers use the same online database to populate their data. I know Hoster does anyway. It's not always accurate, and some of the newer discs aren't always entered yet.

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A few times I have attempted to add disc info to the data base and each time I received a response that it was not valid for some reason. Gave up trying to help. I know I end up doing a lot of copy/paste from kjpro into powerkaroke.com ripper. Not sure how so many bad entries make it into the data base.

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My DH doesnt like grabbers...all entries into our book are done by hand....corrections made at same time.....He is a perfectionist

Blessings
Athena

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While I am a dedicated Luddite, I do understand why many have gone to PC.

However, why anyone would choose to make the change NOW- in this extremely litigous atmosphere, eludes me.


Once one spends all of those hundreds of billable and/or promotional hours ripping, NOW the mfrs. want MORE money for so-called "certifications" and "audits" to add to their income. Either that or catch a lawsuit for indimidation of larger amounts of money from you.

Yes, I understand that one wants to try and make their life more "convenient", but how does this add to your business's bottom line?

If one is still disc based, one should stand back, be patient, and see where the chips fall for KJs and mfrs. alike before making the change. That's just sound business practice, not the Luddite speaking.

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" Disc based and loving it..."

I believe it's more of his choice because discs are going by the wayside it seems if you want to keep on top of new music.

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Could be, but most modern players can handle anything from cards to MP3 Discs. No need to rip a whole library just to keep up, and one would still be factory original based. I would also add that so far, even the newest music is still available on discs. They haven't gone anywhere- yet.

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" Disc based and loving it..."

Computers also offer many features that players cannot. That was my #1 reason for personally moving to computer. Not convenience, or anything else. I like what my software offers as an asset to my show. It's another tool of my trade.

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you can always burn 1:1 backups of you mp3+g on a disc.....

and keep the disc karaoke going.....

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It's all good!

According to Tricerasoft, you need permission to shift to disc. You can have a file back-up on a hard drive, though. Their policy is opposite of America's.

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I am the ONLY SANE 1 HERE

Tricerasoft is a third party vendor. They simply and only own the rights to sell, SBI, Music Maesteo, Sunfly & Abraxa. This us the very reason you need to get the Manu's permission. Tricerasoft Cannot give any such permissions. I have received permissions from the above mentioned and there was no problems whatsoever. Straightforward and to the point. It was a pleasure doing business with them that way. I received my responses within 24 hours from each one. Now only if the US companies could get their heads out if those dark damp places and pay attention to how these ppl are doing business the world would be a better place for Kj's.

According to the UK site that Zoom links to for providing their downloads, their licensing does not permit the shifting of a download to a disc. That site also carries Sunfly. If you buy downloads from Selectatrack which carries even more of the UK brands, they do have a burner you can download but each track will be stamped with "Not For Commercial Use."

The Zoom download FAQ is here:

http://www.karaoke.cc/pages/site-content/faqs.aspx

You will see disclaimers now on those sites that say they operate under UK laws and in using their sites you agree to UK jurisdiction. They will also say they aren't responsible for any punitive damages the user may incur from the use of their product.

The reason for being computer based involves a number of things -

Convenience - Simple, easy to use search funnctions to find and play music
More Convenience - less to carry around and manage
Portability - Carry a single laptop instead of a 1 or more racked CD+G Players
Cost - Laptops are a commodity item where CD+G players are still niche and reducing in variety and selection.
IP Safety - If someone steals my discs, I am hosed. I have to delete a BUNCH of music or spend a LOT of money to re-aquire it. If someone steals my laptop, I can run disc based if absolutely necessary until re-ripping is complete (more likely just restore the digital library from a backup)

For me, the cost and effort of certification is minimal compared to the benefits of being computer based.

-Chris

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More on why physical media is dead.....

From an article on MSNBC.COM - Products that Gen Y just will not buy

Quote:

However, many products that have declined in popularity among the youth are more a result of the changing tastes across all ages than a generational shift. Examples include lower sales in traditional cell phones, maps and CDs. In 2002, compact discs had a more than 95 percent market share of music sales. In 2010, they had less than half. Various reports suggest this decline is the result of all age groups moving away from CD sales toward digital sales.

http://bottomline.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2 ... t-buy?lite

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All you have to do is ask!!.... You never know til you ask. I have received permissions from ALL of the Download Manu's now. ZOOM is allowing me to Media-shift.
Here is the relevant email from ZOOM KARAOKE:

annnnndddd, before anyone mentions the time stamps, remember we live in different time zones. Zoom is in the U.K. The times stamps don't always make any sense to me either, but they are what they are.
The time for the mail I sent should be should be about 1:46am Tuesday am USA @ 6hrs GMT... I sent this mail from work the Club after I read your post LAST NIGHT and I received the response this morning.
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Re: Online Enquiry - Media-Shift permissions‏
Zoom Karaoke
To rickberry_rse@hotmail.com
Tuesday, May 01, 2012 2:11 AM

For your information We've added this sender to your safe list.
That way you can always see what they've sent you.


Hi Rick,

Thanks for your e-mail - yes, it's fine, you can media shift any of our tracks that you've bought from legitimate sources. That of course includes Tricerasoft.

Thanks for asking though!

Kind Regards,

Joe
Zoom Karaoke

----- Original Message -----
From: rickberry_rse@hotmail.com
To: sales@zoom-entertainments.co.uk
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 7:46 AM
Subject: Online Enquiry - Media-Shift permissions

Name: Rick Berry
Email: rickberry_rse@hotmail.com
Phone: 918-207-6579

Greetings,

I have been a Dj/Kj Business owner for over 20 years now. I own over 4,000 CDG's/37,000 song titles. I work 7 nights a week by myself and have No employees. I work very hard to maintain a legit status. I have now made the change to being computer based and have been recently purchasing your tracks from Tricerasoft.

I wanted to inquire about permissions to "Media-Shift" my purchases. I have not bought them directly from you, but through Tricerasoft. I have received permissions for Public use in a Club venue from tricerasoft.

...HOWEVER; I was told by Tricerasoft to contact you for permission to "Media-Shift" or Back-up" to disc. While I have received information from TRICERASOFT that I am allowed to use the product they sell at my venues in public Club setting, I wish to get your direct permission to "Media-Shift" or Back-up" my purchases on either a separate Archive Hard drive OR to a Compact Disc. Is This possible to do??

I see you ALSO sell SUNFLY Products. I also have purchased Sunfly products from Tricerasoft. I have over 500+ tracks that I have bought from tricerasoft and Karaoke version.
I have received permission from Karaoke version to use their products in a Club venue.
I do not need to archive or media-shift Karaoke version tracks because they keep all tracks i purchased available to me at any time.

SUNFLY has already given me their direct permission to use their product in a public club venue and has also allowed me to back up their product on Compact disc.

I have also received permissions from SBI karaoke to use their tracks and on their website they give permission to "Media-Shift " to Compact disc.

I know this is a lot of information. However; I wanted you to know I have done my homework and I am a serious businessman. I would appreciate any information you can give me.

ONCE AGAIN, i am seeking permission to "Media-Shift" or "Back up" to Compact disc or Archive Hard drive, never to be used except in case of emergency only. ie: hardware crash or theft.

I have all relevant emails to go with the aforementioned companies and can provide them at request.

Thank you for your time.
Cordially, Rick Berry USA
rickberry_rse@hotmail.com
https://www.facebook.com/wrberry.rse

Oh man......I was looking forward to my free trip to England through extradition.

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, There is never such a thing as a free ride haha...

Even SC said it was ok to a limit to copy - however not to make your entire library a copy. Even that stance has changed over the 13 years that they stated it. So don't hold your breath on something a manu states now in an email or over the phone as verbatim as 'legal' standing for today - policies can & do change!!!!

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Based on the above logic, there is a possibility that your recent certification won't mean squat if they decide to sue you and claim that "the policy changed" just as easily. It is a two-way street.

Or what if the "certification" becomes more and more expensive a the years go by?