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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:30 pm 
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I really don't appreciate the patronizing attitude you display - even though it's a tool you use to attempt to discredit me. It is also a "backhanded acknowledgment" that there is plenty of truth in what I've presented or it wouldn't upset you so.


When I read this I literally laughed out loud. I am the opposite of upset.

I don't know how to make it any more clear. You are just wrong.


Then I'm glad I could bring some joy into your life....


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But if the media shifter gets caught, they show their discs and are on their way. Whether they have to pay for the audit at that point - I don't know. Guess they should have audited earlier!


....I think Harrington or someone, somewhere, stated that the fee was going up from free, if caught operating without certification, to $500.00. I could be wrong.


So now what happens to people like me that have "volunteered" for the audits? I had contacted Chartbuster over a half-dozen times. NEVER even once did they EVER respond to me in anyway about and Certification program or audit. Stellar records NEVER responded to me either. Sound Choice sent me the paperwork, I filled it out, sent it in and they put me on a waiting list, and here I sit still 3 months later....no audit, no certification, no word from them. So am I now just a sitting duck here or do I go after Digitrax and get them to do the audit? Are there going to be any more CB audits? OR are the rest of us just screwed while we sit here and watch the fireworks?

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So now what happens to people like me that have "volunteered" for the audits? I had contacted Chartbuster over a half-dozen times. NEVER even once did they EVER respond to me in anyway about and Certification program or audit. Stellar records NEVER responded to me either. Sound Choice sent me the paperwork, I filled it out, sent it in and they put me on a waiting list, and here I sit still 3 months later....no audit, no certification, no word from them. So am I now just a sitting duck here or do I go after Digitrax and get them to do the audit? Are there going to be any more CB audits? OR are the rest of us just screwed while we sit here and watch the fireworks?


Stellar does not have an Audit program in place. They have a CAP program, where if you are in posession of all your original Discs from PHM, and you are 1:1 (Original matched to what's on your to Hard Drive)then this program is NOT for you. It is only for the Track Thieves out there.

As for CB/Digitrax and SC, I can't answer you.


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Stellar does not have an Audit program in place. They have a CAP program, where if you are in posession of all your original Discs from PHM, and you are 1:1 (Original matched to what's on your to Hard Drive)then this program is NOT for you. It is only for the Track Thieves out there.
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Or some unsuspecting person who was duped into buying stolen tracks thinking they were legit.

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I doubt it. Even Harrington has agreed that it is more profitable now to sit at home in your pajamas and simply sue KJ's than it is to actually create music.


You have a highly distorted view of what is actually involved in preparing and prosecuting a lawsuit.


The fact that you may not be wearing pajamas does not negate the fact that you stated that litigation was indeed more profitable than producing music for SC at this time.

Concentrating on the least important part of a statement is a debating tactic used to distract from a weak position....

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Stellar does not have an Audit program in place. They have a CAP program, where if you are in posession of all your original Discs from PHM, and you are 1:1 (Original matched to what's on your to Hard Drive)then this program is NOT for you. It is only for the Track Thieves out there.
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Or some unsuspecting person who was duped into buying stolen tracks thinking they were legit.


Thank you for that correction/addition.


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I am new to the conversation and perhaps a bit naive, but why don't the companies that sell the discs just say;

Disc # 1A247: $18.95
W/ media shift rights: $19.95

Assuming all of us pay with some type of debit/ credit card, it would be pretty simple to know who's stealing and who's followed the rules.

Oversimplification? Or unfettered genius?

And can't the producers read/ write protect the discs?

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To tie into my previous post, I think SC and CB going after people who may or may not have illegally file-shared is akin to trying to catch every fish in the ocean. I feel they'd be better served cutting their losses and doing better in the future of protecting their product before they ship it.

The files out there illegally are out there. It's like trying to get that embarrassing photo off the Internet. Sure, you can get it off a few sites, but once it's out there it belongs to the world.

Just my opinion. I operate above board so I don't sweat it, just seems silly to worry about spilt milk.

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terryoke1 wrote:
I am new to the conversation and perhaps a bit naive, but why don't the companies that sell the discs just say;

Disc # 1A247: $18.95
W/ media shift rights: $19.95

Assuming all of us pay with some type of debit/ credit card, it would be pretty simple to know who's stealing and who's followed the rules.

Oversimplification? Or unfettered genius?

And can't the producers read/ write protect the discs?



Nothing wrong with that at all- but SC and now Digitrax are into threatening to sue media shifters strictly for the income that can be intimidated out of unsuspecting KJs.

This isn't even a new scheme- no one at at SC was smart enough to invent it. Other companies have been using this as an income producer for some time.

Check this story on them- it also mentions others using this scheme to make money:

http://www.techdirt.com/blog/?company=slep-tone

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interesting articles on that site...search karaoke and even BMI lawsuits come up :thinkin:

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terryoke1 wrote:
To tie into my previous post, I think SC and CB going after people who may or may not have illegally file-shared is akin to trying to catch every fish in the ocean. I feel they'd be better served cutting their losses and doing better in the future of protecting their product before they ship it.

The files out there illegally are out there. It's like trying to get that embarrassing photo off the Internet. Sure, you can get it off a few sites, but once it's out there it belongs to the world.

Just my opinion. I operate above board so I don't sweat it, just seems silly to worry about spilt milk.

I like this idea best. Just start over, and make it impossible to pirate the new material.

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Smoothedge69 wrote:
I like this idea best. Just start over, and make it impossible to pirate the new material.


Dang it Smoothedge69, Sound Choice doesn't have any new material and they can't make any new material until they sue every KJ in the country to recoup the losses from the music they did sell in the first place, including the folks that bought it from them originally, who already paid for it once. You need to get this stuff straight before you start spoutin' off ;)


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rickgood wrote:
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I like this idea best. Just start over, and make it impossible to pirate the new material.


Dang it Smoothedge69, Sound Choice doesn't have any new material and they can't make any new material until they sue every KJ in the country to recoup the losses from the music they did sell in the first place, including the folks that bought it from them originally, who already paid for it once. You need to get this stuff straight before you start spoutin' off ;)

LMAO!! Thanks, I needed a good laugh!!

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