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c. staley wrote:
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Even SC said it was ok to a limit to copy - however not to make your entire library a copy. Even that stance has changed over the 13 years that they stated it. So don't hold your breath on something a manu states now in an email or over the phone as verbatim as 'legal' standing for today - policies can & do change!!!!


Based on the above logic, there is a possibility that your recent certification won't mean squat if they decide to sue you and claim that "the policy changed" just as easily. It is a two-way street.

Or what if the "certification" becomes more and more expensive a the years go by?


Then we deal with those scenarios as they arise. Consider and make some plans for the future while living and doing business in the present.

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c. staley wrote:
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Even SC said it was ok to a limit to copy - however not to make your entire library a copy. Even that stance has changed over the 13 years that they stated it. So don't hold your breath on something a manu states now in an email or over the phone as verbatim as 'legal' standing for today - policies can & do change!!!!


Based on the above logic, there is a possibility that your recent certification won't mean squat if they decide to sue you and claim that "the policy changed" just as easily. It is a two-way street.

Or what if the "certification" becomes more and more expensive a the years go by?


Then we deal with those scenarios as they arise. Consider and make some plans for the future while living and doing business in the present.


So you'd better be planning to add a cd+g or madboy player to your system that is going to sit idle "in case" they change their policy.... again?


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For people like you and Lonnie that have been doing this for a while, you have the necessary hardware to accomodate the "reversal" of policy and run old school.

For people like me that have acquired full systems that include CD+G players, we are set as well.

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For people like you and Lonnie that have been doing this for a while, you have the necessary hardware to accomodate the "reversal" of policy and run old school.

For people like me that have acquired full systems that include CD+G players, we are set as well.

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I'm sure many of us are BUT what about your CB Digital Collections?


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well if there becomes a demand for it, I'm sure they will come out with a player that could handle more than a 32GB hard Drive which is because all of them will only support FAT32 format for some reason

other than that, I suppose he could put the files on DVDs since he has a certificate that allows him to 'format shift'. at least for the moment anyway

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This is all speculation. I am really not going to concern myself with what I will need to do with my CB12000 Drive until/unless there is reason to be concerned about it. I am just not going to fret over things that are very unlikely to take place. If something changes tomorrw, I will deal with it.....tomorrow.

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As a good friend of mine always says "You don't have a decision to make, until you have a decision to make".

In other words, don't sweat the "Maybe".


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Two things--Rick Berry asked for permission to archive via CDG. What was actually being discussed was a disc host continuing to stay disc by burning downloads to CDG and using them to run the show.

The other thing is Zoom sells discs on their own website but links to an affiliate for downloads. It is in the affiliate's FAQ that I linked to where it specifically says that to burn their downloads to disc is a violation of their licensing agreement so if you intend to do that, please use someone else. If you try Selectatrack then you can order a custom CDG or you can buy downloads and with those downloads you can burn to CDG but not for commercial use.

So either the sites are making up things about licensing terms or the owner of Zoom just gave permission to violate the license terms. But I did not make it up that it says not to do it--it is on the sites.

The third thing to consider is that those sites operate under UK law and their terms are spelled out to comply with that.


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c. staley wrote:
Lonman wrote:
Even SC said it was ok to a limit to copy - however not to make your entire library a copy. Even that stance has changed over the 13 years that they stated it. So don't hold your breath on something a manu states now in an email or over the phone as verbatim as 'legal' standing for today - policies can & do change!!!!


Based on the above logic, there is a possibility that your recent certification won't mean squat if they decide to sue you and claim that "the policy changed" just as easily. It is a two-way street.

Or what if the "certification" becomes more and more expensive a the years go by?
Highly doubtful though!

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I See how you meant the statement now... I misread it.
No need for my comment


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you can always burn 1:1 backups of you mp3+g on a disc.....

and keep the disc karaoke going.....

According to Tricerasoft, you need permission to shift to disc. You can have a file back-up on a hard drive, though. Their policy is opposite of America's.


Let me try it again--my remarks pertained to the above exchange--the topic of this thread is "Are disc hosts a thing of the past?" People had been mentioning that even if discs were no longer available, a disc host could still run a disc show by downloading and burning to disc. We were discussing if that would be allowable--running a show off of discs burned from downloads--not discussing a computer host archiving to disc and not using the archive to run shows. I was responding to the part about running a disc show from burns--not questioning your permission to archive. Are we somehow missing each other's points?


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Lonman wrote:
Even SC said it was ok to a limit to copy - however not to make your entire library a copy. Even that stance has changed over the 13 years that they stated it. So don't hold your breath on something a manu states now in an email or over the phone as verbatim as 'legal' standing for today - policies can & do change!!!!



I have no problem living one day at a time, or in our case... "One night at a time". That is fine with me. I can be happy with the fact that as of now, I was given permission to media-shift AND archive to CDG or HD. That is all I was looking for. If the permissions are revoked at some time in the future, I can be fine with that, no harm no foul.... I will destroy the CDG copies as requested...
At that point, I am still a legitimate owner of their song files and will be allowed to use them in my computer at a Public venue...if that changes, well, we will cross that bridge when we come to it.

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leopard lizard wrote:
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you can always burn 1:1 backups of you mp3+g on a disc.....

and keep the disc karaoke going.....

According to Tricerasoft, you need permission to shift to disc. You can have a file back-up on a hard drive, though. Their policy is opposite of America's.


Let me try it again--my remarks pertained to the above exchange--the topic of this thread is "Are disc hosts a thing of the past?" People had been mentioning that even if discs were no longer available, a disc host could still run a disc show by downloading and burning to disc. We were discussing if that would be allowable--running a show off of discs burned from downloads--not discussing a computer host archiving to disc and not using the archive to run shows. I was responding to the part about running a disc show from burns--not questioning your permission to archive. Are we somehow missing each other's points?



You stated "We were discussing if that would be allowable--running a show off of discs burned from downloads"

I felt that it would NOT be in most cases /WITHOUT/ getting permission from the Manu's first. I felt that it was priority to establish a line of direction in how things are done.

I suppose we are doing just that, somehow missing each others points...
I was responding to what Smoothedge69 wrote within the quote above. However; I felt the point could not be discussed one without the other.

You cannot run a show from burned discs - even if you purchased the files legally, UNLESS you have permission in some cases.

You cannot Burn downloaded files to disc in the first place with receiving permission in some cases.

I suppose maybe I did miss your point, since I was addressing another posters comment within your own.
Point taken, Let's move on and not waste space and time. My apologies

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