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what would leave you to come to that conclusion ? One person is either honest or not basically a 50/50 chance ....but gather together 1000 people and you have 500 honest ones able to police 500 questionable ones. Often times a honest person can get those that are not honest to question themselves and make changes. Just a observation that has proven to be true many times in my life.

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Athena

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But you are talking about a difference between a multi BILLION dollar company and people who make, mostly, some money on the side. Huge companies are FULL of thieves. I think Wall Street has proven that. Small businessmen are, for the most part, honest. Large companies not only need to be watched they need to be regulated. Athena, you will NEVER get me to agree with Sound Choice on this.

Sorry, but I don't want to be watched. I think it's ridiculous. If companies like SC want to watch me, they will be quite disappointed, because there will be nothing to see. Those who sacrifice Liberty for security deserve neither. That is EXACTLY what your side is doing. You are taking away our freedom to run our businesses so YOU can have some security.

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It's all a game. That WAS the point.



I don't. It was comedic analogy to point out the folly of the original post.

But you knew that. "Nice try" though! You are the undisputed master of spin.

The reality is that "In the future" the only thing patrons will know when they see a blue logo is that they have the best base library of songs in a high quality format.

I still don't understand why karaoke hosts feel they should be completely exempt from certification/monitoring when there are other service related industries that have to do exactly that.

The most cloesly related one to ours are the bars and venues themselves. They pay their BMI/ASCAP fees and you would think they should be left alone completely until renewal time. In fact, the BMI/ASCAP folks may just drop in unnanounced to see if additional seating has been added which warrants an increase in fees paid.

If Sound Choice shows up to check on me, I would not feel as if I were being spied on or that I was a criminal. SC is protecting their interests. In fact, I encourage it, particularly with those that settled after a suit was filed. I want them keeping tabs on those that have already demonstrated they were willing to cheat the system. If they stop by my show, no big deal.

The only request I have is that they send folks that can entertain, sing up beat songs, and aren't water drinkers. Support the show :)

-Chris

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Really? You don't understand the difference?

Try this:

Performing rights societies (ASCAP/BMI/SESAC) are written into copyright LAW. And as such, they have much more leverage and tools at their disposal.

Sound Choice Karaoke is not.

When ASCAP sends an investigator to a club (because a club hasn't paid their license fees) that investigator can tell you every single song you played -- including the bumper music you play in between -- and that investigative report is not hidden, privileged information or guarded in any way. It's made available as part of their "evidence." Right down to a copy of the receipt for drinks and food and a physical description of you and the system you use. It's all out in the open.

When SC supposedly sends an investigator, it's a big, "james bond secret" even afterward. What a crock.

Yeah, there no difference right?

Face it Chris, your heroes aren't the government but they'd like you to believe they should be.

Just ask your local BBB or police how many scam artists and fly by night operators are out there offering renovations, clothing, and just about anything else under the sun. BTW if you go to Times Square you can find individuals selling Rolex watches for $10-20.

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If it comes down to being constantly watched it better be after all the pirates and undercutters are gone so I can get $200-300 a show. Then maybe it would be worth it.

Hey I thought Phil added a like button!

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well there is a "been liked XX times" space in the sidebar but I don't see a button. Would really LOVE one however.

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Athena

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"if a man has integrity, nothing else matters, If a man has no integrity, nothing else matters."
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I understand the difference just fine. I was also speaking in general terms and not specifically toward SC.

I don't understand the resistance to being certified to be able to work. Plenty of other fields of work absolutely require it.

-Chris

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i don't think the issue is weather there should be a central governing entity like ASCAP etc. the issue comes up that SC is a company, nothing more. it would be the equivelent of Def Jam Records doing the policing of ASCAP instead. they have no right to do so, that is part of why the PRS agencies exist. if ASCAP, BMI, and SESAC came out and wanted to do what SC and CB are doing, i think the response would be very different than it is now.

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I just don't get why ANYONE would want their privacy trampled on...no less by defunct karaoke companies trying to recoup losses by their own illegal activities that contributed to their own demise.

BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING!!

I am a legal host so i don't mind if i'm visited and/or audited, but i certainly DON'T want to feel like i'm being watched or scoped by anyone, even other hosts!

Come talk to me and i'll welcome you. No need to SPY on me unfriendly-like, as if i'm guilty of doing something wrong, or that i'm your enemy for some reason.

Because these are private businesses. Some of us don't want VENDOR intervention in our business. We provide a service of playing music. It's not like we have massive safety concerns like construction companies. It's not like we have health concerns like food service and healthcare. We play music. You are putting WAY too much importance into what we do. We play music for drunk people to sing. Certification may be useful if it were a centralized agency that took care of certification. But being certified by one or two mfrs isn't even fair business practice. Asking people to get certified by Sound Choice at a criteria for getting work is ridiculous, and gives advantage ONLY to Sound Choice, since we don't know what is ahead for CB, and no other company cares about certification. I think it's time you wake up and truly look around. Sound Choice is just looking out for their own interests with these certifications. And you people are falling for it.

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That's Ronex watches.

Mine said Ro1ex

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Don't mean to scare you, Bazza, but you and I agree here 100%. It IS and HAS BEEN a game all along. All about how one plays it.

Thank you for the post.

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The last thing anyone in business in this country needs is more oversight and regulation. The US government is doing far more for me than I can afford now. We sure as hell don't need to be reporting to a private company on top of it. Wanna audit me? Pay me for my time. You aint the government.

There is a really simple solution to that problem.

If you don't want to be audited, don't media-shift your SC content.

Nah. I'll just wait for a threatening letter.

There is a better idea. Cut the auditing crap and just allow shifting like everyone else.

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