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No, I don't like the fact I have to pay to media shift their product, but consider it a part of doing business. But I do believe you are the one that is wrong, but that is your repeated (to ad nauseum ) stance. All I know is I have gained customers from shows that have pulled SC out of their books. So I applaud those KJ's for holding their stance.

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But why would you need to pay, Lon? How much did you spend on SC already? Shouldn't they consider you a loyal customer and say, hey, you are promoting our logo night after night so we will check your library to make sure you are legit and we will certify you for FREE, and BTW, TY Sir for supporting our product No, only $$$ that counts... Of course you are a loyal customer to them now that you've agreed to their terms... YOU and the honest KJ's that bought their CDG's are NOT responsible for their failure!!

Because SC is legally allowed to charge (or not) for permission as does any other company. James has already told you what the three options are and the choice is yours.

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I love it when people use logic. A business that CARES about it's customers and appreciates their customers would act as you suggest. It would not be all about dollars and cents.

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I never said they were not allowed to charge But didn't they get enough out of their loyal customers in the first place to allow them do media shift for FREE
And BTW, how much are you charging them for promoting their logo night after night, after all, you should be legally allowed to charge if you're a company, right

I'm paying because it was my choice to shift to computer. If I was running strictly off disc, I would not have worried about it and continued to use their products anyway. They did offer the audits for free when this whole thing started, hardly any kj's showed up then - not even me, but after thinking about it, it really doesn't bother me. Would love to see all the other companies follow suit - preferably in some sort of organization that covers ALL manus, but if I had to, i'll pay each one separately if it ever came down to it! It would definitely separate those who are serious about the business from those who just do it for beer money & a few bucks thrown at them.
I agree honest kj's do not contribute to the demise, people with the mentality that think they can do what they want without consequence (mainly stealing) are the ones that are literally killing the karaoke industry as we know it. I'm really surprised any company still make anything in all honesty since it normally gets pirated the day it gets released.

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, yeah ok!

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I don't play discs, have never been audited or certified (or sued) and yet am considered a loyal customer. I don't steal their music.

And as a GEM series owner are considered certified in the eyes of SC. They know exactly what your SC content is they lease it to you.

I'm curious are you using any SC content other than the GEM series?

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My statements, opinions and conclusions are based on my own personal experiences, observations, research and/or just my own $.02. I'm not a "cheerleader", but that doesn't make me a Pirate.

I have a few other SC odds/ends.

Yes if you wanted to travel to their offices in N.C. Pay for your trip, your room & board and what ever else.

I think if they wanted to do free audits they should visit the top 20 cities in the U.S. and do them.
I believe that many more KJ's would get the audits then. OH you say but that would cost them money...not much more than filing all the lawsuits that have been dismissed or settled, and it is the price of doing business and a tax right off for them.

Heck I would travel to the 20 cities do the audits for what they have paid HL to file all these suits! Stay 3-4 days doing audits, seeing the sights, hitting the clubs where the newly certified KJ's worked. Yep sounds like a great vacation time.

OR they could certify 20 people in the 20 cities to do audits for them on a regular basis.
No travel, no room & board, just pay them something for their time.

Who knows they might even get back into making NEW Karaoke again.

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To me, a "Loyal Customer" is someone who makes regular purchases at specific places.
Example: Someone goes to Starbucks every Monday thru Friday (on the way to work) for a Latte.
Example: Someone who goes to XYZ (fill in name here) Liquor Store once a month to stock up or replace any booze that they may want/need, and not stopping in the first store that they just happen to pass when they are out shopping.
Example: Someone who orders/purchases every new CDG that comes out from a specific Manufacturer.


So, how many SC discs do you own that you're such a "Loyal Customer"???
Please define to me what you think a "Loyal Customer" is.

When I was running my last show, I WAS purchasing Sound Choice only. Had I kept that show(which I was just working for the club who owned the equipment), I would have continued to buy SC. They had 2 CAVS discs. Anything I bought was mine. I have 28 discs from SC. I would have been buying SC discs now, until I found out how they feel about their customers. Now I choose NOT to buy their music for my business. I will use every other mfr I can get my hands on, UNTIL SC drops there current business model. If they do that, I will GLADLY go back to them.

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When a different business model is likely to result in better results than the current one, SC will change it. What you're proposing amounts to "Please don't infringe our rights" and hope for the best. We tried that for a long time and it nearly killed the company. Suggesting that we go back to it is tantamount to urging the death of the company, which means that you wouldn't have anything to go back to, GLADLY or otherwise.

You stated the following in some past posts:





You say that when you were doing a show, you only purchased SC CDGs. OK, that puts us back to 2004-2005. What happened after 2004 and 2005 (when you said you were doing a show). Wouldn't you have accumulated more than 36 discs (28 SC and 8 of some other Manufacturer) by then? All of this SC talk started about 3 years ago (that would put us in 2009... 2008 at the earliest). What happened in the years 2006 thru 2008 for you. Did you totally stop doing shows and adding to your collection?

Then you have to know that you are sacrificing MANY potential customers, that don't want to participate. So where are you? You are acquiring some customers, but you could have many more. For someone in my position it makes no sense to spend money on audit fees. $150 is much better spent on more music.

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I ran a show, back in late 2004 through early 2005. The equipment was owned by the bar. I ran the show on Saturday nights, this guy Dale ran in on Wednesdays. A couple of months into 2005 Dale pretty much screwed me out of my Saturday slot. He was a personal friend of the owner. He later lost the show and I got called back, but refused it because I didn't trust the owner. While I was working this show, I bought music just about every week. It was all Sound Choice. After I stopped running the show I stopped buying discs, except for the occasional purchase for my own pleasure, like my CB Dave Matthews disc. Since 2006, I have been filling in on my friend's show when he needs me to. Well, here it is now 2012. I have been wanting to go out on my on this whole time, and recently was able to buy my own equipment. I hadn't been on this site for years. I knew nothing of what was going on until I came back on here, this past winter. I had no reason to follow the world of karaoke because I didn't have my own show. I was just a singer who filled in for my friend.

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We would rather be on 30% of systems legitimately and 0% of systems illegitimately, than on 90% of systems illegitimately and 10% of systems legitimately.

If you do not want to follow the rules for using the product, we would prefer that you not use the product. There are enough people who do want the product and are willing to follow the rules. If you're not among them, enjoy using other brands.

I'd think if SC's tactics, rules, policies, etc... were a little more accommodating to those who aren't pirates you'd have a lot closer to a 100% of the 10% that aren't pirates. Then you'd be almost a third of the way to your 30% goal.

With @ 240 KJ's listed on the SC certified KJ page how close are you to your 30%?

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My statements, opinions and conclusions are based on my own personal experiences, observations, research and/or just my own $.02. I'm not a "cheerleader", but that doesn't make me a Pirate.

240 certified KJs, and someone said there are, possibly, 30,000 active KJs out there where does that come out to 30%?? That isn't even 1%. That isn't even 1/10 of 1%. If that is what has come from 3 years of action, that isn't really worth the effort, IMHO, but to each his own.

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