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That number seems very high. There aren't hundreds of KJ's in every town. Who knows though. It's all speculation.

I'm pretty sure Harrington/SC referenced 30% as a goal not a current standing. And if they can get 30% of the KJ's that's a huge improvement in income (+300%) over the 10% that are supposedly legit.

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My statements, opinions and conclusions are based on my own personal experiences, observations, research and/or just my own $.02. I'm not a "cheerleader", but that doesn't make me a Pirate.

Our tactics, rules, and policies are already highly accommodating to those who aren't pirates. There is a very vocal minority of people who don't like those tactics, rules, and policies.

Besides, 30% isn't a goal. It's just an illustration to show Bobby that our approach improves our position.

I think they should abandon all the audit nonsense, and lawsuits, and change routes. Think of it. If they could come up with a way to insure that all future purchases were tamper proof, and tracked, without only being offered to certified hosts, kind of like CB was trying to do, they could just start over. take the past as a loss. Done. The technology wasn't available yet to stop piracy. Now there IS technology that can prevent it. Use that technology, create new music and move forward. Make it available to everyone at comparable prices and SC would be back to solvency and doing WELL in no time. As long as they continue on the same course they are on now, they will continue to alienate much of what could be their customer base. What they seem to refuse to understand is that MANY people do not want to be watched by big brother, as we all have enough of that in our lives with our government. That is up to SC, though. Do they want a handful of customers or many, many customers??

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See, all you are interested in is improving YOUR position. Self interest. You aren't interested in fixing the industry, only your bottom line, which could be done in a more innovative way that suing everyone.


For some reason, some here, seem to think it would be a lovely idea to just allow SC certified hosts to work, and all others be excluded. That isn't fair business practice. Many of the other mfrs don't seem to share you enthusiasm in suing people and certifying hosts. So if the day came that only SC certified hosts could work, that would give SC an unfair advantage in the marketplace. How many hosts, besides a bunch here, do you think would pay to get certified with ALL the mfrs? That would kill just about every NEW host before they even got started, unless they started off with a fortune to spend.

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I realize the 30% wasn't a hard goal but the idea of an improvement over what's been happening in the past. Better is better, I get it!

Couldn't the 1:1 very vocal minority of people that don't like those tactics be an asset to SC if there was some compromise?

Not all uncertified KJ's are bad people or pirates or pro-piracy. At times it seems that SC considers KJ's as certified or pirates and that's just not fair.

If you and SC could realize that, that is how many of that very vocal minority feel then you might realize why they feel the way they do. It's very difficult to trust someone that doesn't trust you based on the actions of others.

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I don't know about us being a minority. Maybe on the boards, but I think in real life SC and others would find that we would be the MAJORITY. Otherwise there would be thousands of KJs flocking to get certified, not just the few hundred that have.

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Believe it or not there are still kj's that don't know anything about the suits at all. I just talked with 1 a couple days ago from a little ocean side town that was in for a couple nights. But he did seem interested in certifying his SC library (apparantly has over 800 SC cdg's) after we talked about piracy and the possible lawsuits against the kj's/bars, so I gave him the info on how to do so.

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Sure seems like it here. Karaoke on almost every corner!

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Believe it or not there are still kj's that don't know anything about the suits at all. I just talked with 1 a couple days ago from a little ocean side town that was in for a couple nights. But he did seem interested in certifying his SC library (apparantly has over 800 SC cdg's) after we talked about piracy and the possible lawsuits against the kj's/bars, so I gave him the info on how to do so.[/quote]
I could see justifying the cost if you had 800 discs, but not if you only have a few.

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You should take a look at the bigger picture before you entertain dreams of Soundchoice giving up the lawsuit business.

The lawsuit business is proving to be very profitable. Consider the figures the court reported from the CAVS suit against Soundchoice for trade libel and unfair competition.
http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/di ... 1326874990
From page 6:


This document was filed on January 17, 2012. By the 18th a total of 16 defendants were dismissed from the lawsuit. At least four of those were venues. And one of them was a disc based KJ who was sued in error. That leaves 15 entities that paid a total of $180,000.00 or an average of $12,000.00 each. There are still 55 defendants from that suit yet to settle. So, by dropping a few thousand in expenses on a single group-suit they walk away with $180,000 in less than three months and still have potential to milk it for an even greater amount in addition to that. Multiply that by each city or each district the lawsuit express rolls into and you are talking about some serious money.

Do you really think they could make that kind of money that fast and that easily by putting out karaoke music and having to compete with other manufacturers at the same time? Why bother? They are currently operating in a field without competition where the low hanging fruit is ripe for the picking. At this point in time it would be a poor business decision and a waste of valuable sue-them-while-you-still-can time to try to re-enter the karaoke production business.


If I had a cash-cow that produced like that I would probably milk her dry too.

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Yeah, I guess you are right. No wonder they want to sue everyone they can get their greedy little hands on. And they wonder why people do not want to use their product. Amazing.

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I think without the suits there would just be a continued downward spiral. If you're putting money into karaoke then obviously you want to make money...so why would you want people buying hard drives for a few hundred dollars with 100,000 songs taking shows that you could have gotten? These people would not be going into business at all if it wasn't so cheap.

That being said, I do have some issues with SC terms. Not the audit fee, but other parts of the agreement which invade privacy and show a continued distrust of everyone, even those who have shown they have not pirated/stolen karaoke music.

They aren't going after the hard drive sellers, though. They are just going after every KJ they can. Maybe if they would go after the hard drive sellers they could make a bigger dent in the fight against PIRACY, instead of fighting shifters.

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Trademark suit would make most sense then, since these are the ones counterfeiting their marks the most.

Shifters are not counterfeiting marks. They are only copying their discs. There is a big difference between them and hard drive sellers and all out track thieves.

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i agree, however the law suits are doing nothing to stem that tide. the settlements include GEM sets for the money paid. more than you and i could lease them for, but still less than what we have paid for our music. i am also not sure how they got all that information being everything is sealed.

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They are suing from those that stole from them in the first place

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BS! That is their primary concern! Which is why they are not pressing further on those that actually have discs!

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Open your eyes, Bro. They name almost anyone they see displaying a Sound Choice mark, without question.

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