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chrisavis
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Paradigm Karaoke wrote: chrisavis wrote: We all know that a great host can more than make up for a song selection that is lacking, but it also works out that a great song selection can help out an average host.
-Chris but we are not talking about song selection, we are talking about "if you don't have this brand, go f@#k yourself i will go elsewhere." just as an example, have you heard the 3 Doors Down SC stuff? has that engineer ever used a compressor before? The chorus is literally 4dB quiter than the verses.....the part where you are to sing louder the music gets quieter. I use the PHM, it is actually singable. And do we really need to discuss the CB Skynyrd disc? SC is not god, CB is not god, no brand is. how many people would rather sing off of Pioneer laser disc with the horribly cheesy videos (that i kinda dig for their cheesiness) instead of an SC version because it is dead on musically? It's interesting that you say we are talking about "if you don't have this brand, go f@#k yourself i will go elsewhere." and then rattle off songs selections from multiple brands. I don't think anyone would pull all their CB because the Skynyrd disk blows any more than you would pull SC because 3 Doors Down sounds better on PHM. We all know that diversity in music and brands is important. There are those gems that exist in SGB and Music Maestro too. But very few if anyone bases their shows on either or even a combination of just those brands. The anti-Sound Choice folks can claim that they can and do live without the brand, but they are also tossing away some of the better overall selection of music there is when they do. People do notice whether they tie it to a brand name or not. and......if I have a Pioneer track, it generally gets played before anything else  I love the videos and the sound is rockin..... -Chris
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thewraith
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 9:47 am |
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Chris you wrote this I had to chime in on it.
"15 years ago, Karaoke hosts could command $300+ per night for a Karaoke show. Why? There were relatively few hosts, it was a unique feature to offer at a bar that drew in paying customers.
Now, the going rate is considerably less. Why? Because there are such a large number of venues offering karaoke and the competition is very high. Doesn't matter if the other hosts are pirates or not, the market is saturated.
Why is the market so saturated? Because so many karaoke hosts bought a bunch of karaoke music and started undercutting each other? No. Because pirates stole the music and were able to enter the market at a fraction of the overhead".
You Know why Karaoke doesnt command that anymore in addition? Because it isnt New, Isnt as popular, Not entirely Pirates or Non Sucker KJ's who wont pay for an audit ( Pirate and Legal KJ That did Not submit are one in same Right????)
Same reason Van halen Tickets are cheap. Yeah Back in the 80's they were Hot cakes, I sat Near front row under 200 bucks Verizon center this year. But you go Watch Adele or Pitbull , Lady ga ga their gonna Command Higher price. Just how it is.
Chris this isnt a dig at you, Just sometimes you sound Like Kurt Himself. Pirates Not economy. Pirates and saturation due to Piracy
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Lonman
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 10:37 am |
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I saw Van Halen in the 85's, the tickets cost me $25 each for floor/front.
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Paradigm Karaoke
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 3:32 pm |
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my point was that SC and CB are not necessarily the best. i mam finding more and more tracks as time goes on that were done better by other companies i have. especially in the last few years of SC production the engineer was a moron, they sound awful. CB definately stepped up, but still i dont really have too many more SC or CB tracks that are top of the heap than other brands. not digging on SC or CB, they have just as many great versions as the other companies (ZOOM, Sunfly, etc.) but not the godlike status of flawless execution that they have been given. i think they may be right, aside from songs that no one else did (which happens with each and every manu out there) losing any brand or 2 would not hurt anybody to any sigificant extent, and life would go on. im sure the karaoke world was about to end when DK and Pioneer stopped producing as well, but here we are.
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Lonman
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 4:06 pm |
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Main difference is SC was consistant all the way across the board of genres - maybe their last couple years producing was because it was without BC their studio manager up until 2006 or 07. Probably 75-80% of their tracks were done right & done well - the rest, well. Sunfly had a terrible streak in the mid-90's-mid 2000's with almost everything being recorded wrong and HEAVY synth sounds. Zoom has some hit or miss quality, I don't have enough to compare for their full library, but out of the tracks I do have - most are done well - maybe very heavy on the bass side, but a good handful i'd replace if one comes up. CB sucked in pop/rock up until about 5 years ago or so, then they stepped up.
When DK & Pioneer stopped producing, it was at a time when they were only producing music that was at the newest maybe 5 years old. They weren't putting out a whole lot of stuff that was current today or off the wall stuff like the other CDG companies started doing and this is what singers were looking for by that point, not the standards and mainstream 'radio' hits.
Today it's back to these mainstream tunes and nothing really off the wall except from karaoke-version & SBI and the likes.
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MIKE D
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 8:40 pm |
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You know i read most of the post here and all most never reply
(dj/kj over 27 years)
but i have to here
4 years agao i saw the writting on the wall and pulled all my sound choice disc and sold them
i did not lose 1 singer not one
the only ones who bitched were the over 40s my young singers
go sound choice whos that
3 years agao i pulled chart busters nobody even knew i did that
to this day i do not get asked for chartbusters
i was one of the first to have karaoke in my area many years ago
i started out with lazer disc we got 500.00 per show back in the day
then cdgs came out shows when to 300.00 then to 250.00
now there at 200.00-250.00 in bars
if you have great sound good mics and a good host
it does not matter what or whos disc you play
you will stay in a job
i have to say that most of the djs/kjs in my are mad at
sound choice because they are hurting karaoke more then helping it
bars dont want nothing to do with it because they dont want to get sude
even if you show them the disc(to the bar) you still might get sude by sound choice
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chrisavis
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 5:45 am |
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thewraith wrote: Chris you wrote this I had to chime in on it.
"15 years ago, Karaoke hosts could command $300+ per night for a Karaoke show. Why? There were relatively few hosts, it was a unique feature to offer at a bar that drew in paying customers.
Now, the going rate is considerably less. Why? Because there are such a large number of venues offering karaoke and the competition is very high. Doesn't matter if the other hosts are pirates or not, the market is saturated.
Why is the market so saturated? Because so many karaoke hosts bought a bunch of karaoke music and started undercutting each other? No. Because pirates stole the music and were able to enter the market at a fraction of the overhead".
I don't know how anyone could say that karaoke isn't as popular. Given the number of karaoke shows that exist in any given area, it is obviously as popular as ever. With shows like American Idol, America's Got Talent, The Voice, that horrible Karaoke show on ABC and eve Glee, I think there is more desire for karaoke than ever.
If it weren't as popular we would see fewer karaoke shows, not more.
The saturation in the market absolutely is because of the piracy and the low barrier to entry.
-Chris
You Know why Karaoke doesnt command that anymore in addition? Because it isnt New, Isnt as popular, Not entirely Pirates or Non Sucker KJ's who wont pay for an audit ( Pirate and Legal KJ That did Not submit are one in same Right????)
Same reason Van halen Tickets are cheap. Yeah Back in the 80's they were Hot cakes, I sat Near front row under 200 bucks Verizon center this year. But you go Watch Adele or Pitbull , Lady ga ga their gonna Command Higher price. Just how it is.
Chris this isnt a dig at you, Just sometimes you sound Like Kurt Himself. Pirates Not economy. Pirates and saturation due to Piracy
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Bazza
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My take on host v/s music?
Of course the host makes the difference. But what is wrong with ALSO wanting the best sounding music as well?
Eric Clapton can make a $150 guitar sound awesome. He doesn't need a specific brand to be successful. BUT he still wants the best tools for his trade and spends $$$ to get what he believes sounds the best, even though you and I might not notice.
Is Eric Clapton a fool? I don't think so.
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timberlea
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 9:51 am |
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Bazza, Bingo. That's why you find Coca-Cola or Pepsi-Cola served at the big chains and not Mountain-Cola.
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mckyj57
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The music is only one part of the equation when it comes to the reduction in price.
Don't forget that there has been a revolution in sound equipment as well. The players, the mixers, the amps, the mics. Acceptable pro-quality stuff is much lower than it once was. Pooh-pooh Behringer all you want -- they have reduced price levels dramatically, just from others having to compete with them. So the bar is lowered there, and supply is greater.
Then information on how to use the equipment, and host a show, is much more available. It doesn't take an "in" or dedicated effort to become a KJ any more. Heck you can come here, ask a few questions, and be ready to roll quickly. We've seen this happen many, many times.
So the music is part of it. But that wound was largely self-inflicted.
Sound Choice and Chartbuster basically did it to themselves by sticking their head in the sand and refusing to license digital. Along with all the rest of the recording industry. You can post all the excuses if you want, license this and license that, people oughta this and people oughta that. But the music industry knew it was coming in the 1970s, got clear warning in the 1980s, had it shoved in their face in the 1990s, and started doing something in the 2000s. They tried the ostrich defense, and it didn't work.
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Paradigm Karaoke
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 1:32 pm |
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verry well put. 
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RLC
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Yes mckyj57, very well said!
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JoeChartreuse
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Bazza wrote: My take on host v/s music?
Of course the host makes the difference. But what is wrong with ALSO wanting the best sounding music as well?
Eric Clapton can make a $150 guitar sound awesome. He doesn't need a specific brand to be successful. BUT he still wants the best tools for his trade and spends $$$ to get what he believes sounds the best, even though you and I might not notice.
Is Eric Clapton a fool? I don't think so. I would have no disagreement with the above as it is stated. The only disagreement would be on whether SC or CB ( or ANY brand, for that matter) is the "best". Even I think that SC made some of the best duet discs around- but they also hit the dumpster with their versions of several artists, especially Elvis and Skynnyrd. No one argues that CB did great country, but some of their pop and oldies were pretty bad, and they had a LOT of trouble with their swipes. In other words, of COURSE it helps to have terrific karaoke versions, but SC and CB certainly are not the be all and end all of karaoke. If they are not included in the show, it is quite possible that BETTER versions are. Either way, if a host thinks he/she is brand dependent, said host than has nothing more to offer than any other KJ who uses that brand- and operates his/her business at a HUGE disadvantage. Off to work- later.....
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Lonman
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 3:52 pm |
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I'd agree with SC Elvis, but disagree with their Skynyrd being bad, their versions are pretty spot on in comparison to the originals. Far FAR better than what CB did (which is the same as SGB - at least Simple Man). I actually haven't found any versions other than SC for Skynyrd that was better in any sense.
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Hard to believe. SGB Skynnyrd, which of course are pretty bad, are STILL preferred over SC's versions in my part of the world. THAT is pretty scary...
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