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Lonnie brings up a good point.

Many computer based hosts never connect their show machines to any kind of network. From a security persepctive, that is about as secure as you can get. Want to use XP for your hostinig machine? No problem! Just don't connect to any network and you are fine.

Introducing a cloud service mandates that people be much more diligent about updating their systems, using anti-malware, anti-virus, and of course, getting rid of XP at some point.

This is just another roadblock to adoption that I see DigiTrax having.

-Chris

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I have to agree with Lon I did buy a lot of new songs but most of them have never been requested. Even most of the 20 year olds end up singing stuff from the 80's - 2000's. I now only buy new songs by request mostly SBI. As far as the Cloud If the price was right I would be useing it. I have been buying discs since the early 90's but if I could get 60,000 songs for a reasonable monthly fee I'm in.

The fee would have to be VERY reasonable. Well and my hosting software be able to adapt to use it, not going to get another software just to use it.

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Same here Lon I am not going to switch from Hoster just to connect to the Cloud. And the price will be the largest factor in most anybodys decision to subscribe.

hmmm first my quotes keep disappearing and now whole posts.. Ah well.. Just to stay on topic i will only repeat this part.

there should be 'it depends' option on the vote..

-james

It would never work for us. We run karaoke to have fun. We like to play with people and to allow them to have fun.
We are living full time in our RV at the moment and sometimes Thom will set up on a Friday or Saturday for the heck of it just to play around. Yes we get asked all the time if could take over for someone at this bar or that bar and run it instead of them. We refuse to take over someone else's job behind their back. We enjoy the occasional playing. It becomes not fun anymore for us if we only did karaoke/dj as a job.

James--sometimes I think my posts are lost and it is really that I forgot to notice the pop up that tells you someone has posted while you were composing and do you want to change anything before you post. If you ignore it and just go back to the forum your post will be lost. Don't know if that is what is happening with you but thought I would mention it just in case.

[="Bazza"]You are extremely paranoid & emotional about this. Who on earth is dictating anything or telling you how to run your business? Nobody. This is about access to more music for your business for a MUCH lower price. Nothing more.[/quote]

most seem to be spending between $50 & $100 a month on music based on the how much do you spend thread, how is spending $200.00 a month on music a much lower price.
can someone tell me how paying $200.00/month for music that may or may not be there next month based on the whim of the right holders (AKA Garth, etc.) is a better thing than offering the same music on download instead of the cloud? why is offering the download so bad?

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I would like to know the same thing. 200.00 per month being cheaper??? I don't think so.

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I agree with Lonnie. I can run a successful show without getting the newer stuff which nobody sings anyway. I used to get Chartbuster's Hits of the Month right up until they stopped producing. And even thoiugh I had the latest stuff. It rarely ever got sang.

In addition to my individual discs, I have SC's foundation 1 and 2, CB's complete Essential Set and DK's set. If I never updated my music again, I have no doubt in my mind that I would be able to run a successful show just on these alone.

So, the point is, You don't have to get suckered in to this Cloud crap.

Secondly, How many KJ's are going to pay 200 a month? or even $100? Maybe, if it was $9.95 and that's a big mabye. The point is, like Lonnie said and I agree, you can run a great show on just what you have now and not have to upgrade. And if someone does request something I don't have, I'll get it from Tricerasoft.

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I love Tricerasoft!! Many of the versions they sell are REALLY good, too.

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I am the ONLY SANE 1 HERE

Please follow along. I said previously that the rumored price of $200 is ridiculously expensive.

For the fourth time, it's not about the concept of the cloud technology (which everyone seems to be crucifying).
It's about the price.



Because I never said that. (See response above).

YOU are upset over the IDEA at any price. I love the idea...not the price.

ALAN, I would like to know why you haven't answered by previous questions. Why are you afraid of cloud technology? How is cloud technology "telling you how to run your business"? How much do you spend on new music now? Why wouldn't you pay "even $5 for it"? (your words/price)?


It seems we have two different arguments going on here simultaneously.

1 - Those who do not understand the technology and are therefor fearful of it at any price.

2 - Those that understand the technology and like it, but think the price is way to high (me included).

I think it is about price AND Implementation.

If the price sticks at even $99 for access to NEW/CURRENT content - that is poor pricing (unless they *Guarantee* $99 worth of SINGABLE requested music each and every month)
If the implementation for the PRO side means everyone has exactly the same thing - That is a poor implementation.
If the implementation sets a fixed price for access to NEW/Current material and graduated pricing for older content - that is better pricing and implementation

-Chris

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Maybe they should consider a pricing structure that would be broke into genre, as well as previous and new releases.

That would give KJ's access to what they want/need/can afford and still allow some individuality for hosts/shows.

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My statements, opinions and conclusions are based on my own personal experiences, observations, research and/or just my own $.02. I'm not a "cheerleader", but that doesn't make me a Pirate.

I have nothing against new technology. In fact I embrace it. Through the years, I was always the first to buy into the latest products before they hit the mainstream.

What I am against is the way they are going about the Cloud service with regard to Karaoke. There should NOT be a charge to use the Cloud. Using the Cloud should be free. You should only be charged based on buying or unlocking songs. In this way, you own them. They're yours do as you like.

For example, when I buy mp3 downloads from Amazon, they are downloaded to the Amazon Cloud. You do not pay a monthly fee for it. And those downloads can then be kept on the Cloud, saved to a file on your PC, Flash Drive, SD card burned to a CD or whatever you like. You can play them on your home stereo or in your car. And you never have to pay for them again or pay a monthly fee to store them in Amazon's Cloud.

This is how it should be for karaoke. And this is why I'm so against the Cloud and the rip-off that it is, or will be if they charge a fee to use it. Like I said, there should not be a fee to use it. If they follow Amazon's lead it will be fine but at this point, I hope it fails miserably.

So, to make it clear once again, I'm NOT against new technology, just against being ripped-off.

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No, $99 is still much more then the cost of aquiring new monthly music. It never cost me more than $30 per month.....Meaning, I buy Chartbuster's monthly Pop Hits of the Month and their Country Hits of the Month for about $30 for both. Now, that CB is gone there are other manu's that do monthly updates such as All Star which has become really good, or just buy from Zoom, SBI or Sunfly, or download what you need from Tricerasoft.

The point is, there is alternatives. The Cloud service should be free.

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Impossible!
You can have the hottest songs on the radio today and no interest in singing them or some obscure track from 1999 that was made by the last Seattle grunge band that would be sung everyday in that same place or go next door and get the total opposite. It's impossible to tell what people WANT to sing on a regular basis. What is 'fluff' to one kj is 'gold' to another.

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That is just plain silly. Freely give karaoke away? That is essentially what the pirates get now without any legal repercussions. It would open the doors wide to minimum wage KJ's and fly in the face of anyone that every paid even 1 penny for their music.

Absolute silliness.

-Chris

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Agreed. I was being facetious with that comment. They can't guarantee it, thus the value proposition isn't there.

The more I think about it, the more confident I become that they are going to have to radically change their model from what the demo spoke to if they have even a remote chance of succeeding.

-Chris

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He didn't mean give the karaoke songs away free--he meant store them on the cloud for free--you pay for individual songs and then store them rather than stream or tether--basically, as he said, as Amazon works now. They would probably clean up if they did it that way.

What I am seeing is they seem to be stuck in pirate mentality as far as the have every song or have access to every song thing. They are reading the pirate market as far as thinking hosts want every song and thinking well we will give it to them but under our control. If you are marketing to legit hosts then they are pretty much into what songs they have and not how many. If you are marketing to pirates then they would like having all the songs but they wouldn't like having to pay for them. It does seem to be at an impass.