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I don't think so. Though I would have no problem paying a bit more for complete control and ownership [ of my library, That's not really the case. Those folks who pay hundreds for completely useless audits ( legally, that is- not just to be compliant with some small ex-mfrs. or out of business mfrs. wishes) pretty much even the score. If you are a GEM user......um,...enjoy your rental.

As for The Cloud- I like being the man in charge, let others capitulate to others and their idiosynchrocies

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" Disc based and loving it..."

Incorrect. Cloud technology is PC invasive ( BTW-So's Facebook). Standard PC's with a decent firewall and other security options are at least somewhat protected. Cloud tech makes everything on the PC available, ifanyone is interested.

However, I understand convenience based mentality- if it's easy, do it. If someone points out a negative, defend your actions. This is what killed the karaoke market ( everyone's uncle Lou who already had a PC in the house wants to be a KJ), this is what escalated piracy to 10X or more the old disc burning rate ( No money needed for discs, or any need to find someone to let you copy, or any time required looking for tracks), and this is what will cost their personal security.

Just my humble old luddite opinion, of course, but I was right about the first two, let's see what happens....

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" Disc based and loving it..."

That is a good point, Joe. About the privacy issue. And that's one of the main reasons why I do not use facebook.

As far as the Cloud, I cannot believe just how many "fanboys" are willing to pay for this AT ANY PRICE! All I'm saying is, do like it used to be with the HD Media Pro. Offer the complete library (s) on the cloud and then only charge to download/unlock what you need. There should be NO monthly fee for this service. I don't need to pay a monthly fee for access to 60,000 songs that If anything, may only need a handful of new songs per month. This was not very well thought out but, we will see...

Amazon does it right. Even Xbox is good. But this is a total rip off. I just hope that CompuHost brings back the KJ HD Media Pro like they promised.

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I thought I was the only one NOT on Facebook.

I certainly will and I do! I think it's hilarious that you (and others) think "rental" or "lease" is a dirty word when in reality it is a very real business strategy used all over the world, every day for legitimate business. I can play the same songs as the guy who BOUGHT them, forever, for 1/3 the price or less. Who's the fool again? They guy with the useless plastic in boxes in his basement in ten years, that's who. (And they will be useless in ten years).

This tired topic is 100% based on emotion, not fiscal business sense. When two people can play the same music, for the same time period, and one does it for 1/3 the price, "Ownership" means nothing. Zero. Zip.

It only makes you feel better. We need a Karaoke shrink around here to help people let go of this expensive crutch.



This quote again speaks to the fear of the unknown. Signing up for a service to provide you music for less doesn't mean you are any less "in charge" of your business.

OK, Cue the "Joes World" theme song!



Total and complete fear-mongering BS. Once again Joe, you are attempting to speak like a expert about things you do not understand. Very "PC Invasive"?! "Everything on the PC is available?. None of this is true with ANY Cloud technology (or Facebook for that matter).



Absolutely. 100% agreement.



What killed the Karaoke market was not adapting to current technology. THIS IS current technology.
Frankly, this wont kill Karaoke, it will kill KJ's afraid of technology and too rigid to adapt.

The stuff you come up with amazes me.

Cloud Tech is NOT PC Invasive. In fact it is LESS PC Invasive than most other tech where you have to install some sort of client software. Since practically all Cloud based "applications" run within the context of the browser, they do not have native access to the Operating System or the File System. Your data can't be scanned, your PC can't be controlled, your data, information, and privacy are perfectly safe.

Your Facebook reference only applies to what you upload to Facebook or type into Facebook. Facebook can not reach into your machine to grab anything from it. Facebook privacy issues are mostly END USER created.

-Chris

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For those of you jumping into the cloud I sure hope that your singers don't want to sing any Garth Brooks, Eagles and others that have had and will have their licensing yanked.
Just wait until the music produces find out that this is going on who's to know how many will yank licenses!

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Just like they all ran from iTunes, Pandora and Spotify?

Why do we keep seeing these comments that content stored on CD will be worthless at some time in the future? If the CDs are not being used as a playback medium that does not eliminate the value of what is stored on them. Laser discs have not been a viable medium for playback for quite sometime, yet plenty of hosts are using the content today from their PCs.

The content stored on LP's, cassettes and 8-tracks is still there. What are they worth? Same songs, right?

Tried to buy a turntable lately? The day will come in the not too distant future when you won't be able to find anything to USE them on, except the antique store. It is a dead technology. Cling to it if you must, but it's all downhill from here.

no, they are refusing to license to karaoke manufacturers. no karaoke manufacturer can legally make Garth Brooks karaoke tracks because he said he does not want it on karaoke, so the cloud can not have those songs. Garth is the one i remember first so that is why i use his name, i know there are other big names that i can play having bought the track that a cloud based host can not. could you imagine the day he pulled his licensing if we were cloud based? suddenly all Garth music is gone form your system?
if it could be used to have all 60,000 or whatever the number is tracks for less than i am paying per month now and still have access to Sunfly, Zoom, SBI, etc for the new material right as it is released, i can see the draw. my biggest concerns are the price and the music being taken away on the rights holders whim.

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No prob, already have those songs that I would still be able to use since I have the discs. If you are talking about those who do not have those songs now - then it pretty much won't matter that those songs still wouldn't be available to them.

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Actually there are plenty of demand for lps - mostly in the audiophile world and you can actually still find them being sold NEW. New artists and old - not easily found, but Fred Meyer stores do in fact have a nice little collection of lp's that they sell and continue to do so because of the popular demand - oddly enough.
I bought a turntable a couple months ago. It's a standard turntable with a USB interface so I can play them on my computer as well.

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Bazza -- you need to get your head out of the Cloud!

Business sense you say? Yea, makes great buisness sense for the developers of the Cloud and that's about it. And stop saying what is of value and what isn't. It's all about what a person considers valuable to him or her. And even in ten years, if someone decided to sell their collection of karaoke CD's their will be someone who will se the value in it for them...and BUY IT!

Ownership? Owenership you say?? I rather own then rent.

My conclusion is that you are involved in the development of the Cloud and are trying to sell it, market it, push it down everyone's throat. Why else would you try to convince everyone to jump on board and then fault them for not believing in it like you.

So, to you...I say, subscribe to the Cloud. Feel it's power! Love it! Become one with it! But stop throwing your nonsense to those of us who have very real and valid points. Thank you.

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Ever look for any Eagles on Spotify?? How about Metallica or AC/DC. I have found PLENTY of bands who are NOT on Spotify. So, it stands to reason that if many bands don't want to be on spotify, why wouldn't they pull their license off the Karaoke cloud?? I think you cloud folk are pretty much going to get screwed.

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Everyone is talking like everyone is using this now - it's not even in service yet is it? No one knows the price - which is probably the biggest factor whether anyone will use it or not. According to Ryan, you can download the entire cloud library to your computer and not even need to be connected to the internet - so if anything got pulled, you still have it on your computer for when you re-subscribe the next month - or whatever pricing structure they have. Unless they have some sort of lockout on anything that does get pulled for licensing which could be a possibility - no one knows & is just guessing/speculating at what is going to happen. Let it become a 'live' sevice before judging it, who knows it may be the next best thing since sliced bread! Or it could become the next Edsel!

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1) I noticed that you made a statement calling mine BS, yet you offered no explaination of your viewpoint. Are you claiming that Cloud technology isn't invasive?

2) Completely wrong, and proven by the fact that the service value dropped almost immediately after KJs with no business sense started using PCs ( which can be found in almost every home) in public. It caused a FLOOD of wannabes almost immediately. Add to that the MP3s that some fools uploaded to the net, ( inexpensive - free?- startup) and the industry was shot in it's own foot. I was making $350-$425 per night. Now I'm lucky to average $225-$250, thanks to the service devaluation.


3) If you had read my my post more carefully, you would see that I never made any claim whatsoever that the Cloud would ruin the karaoke business.

What I said was that it puts personal security and privacy at a minimum. If one were to use a PC that was karaoke hosting dedicated I see no problem at all.

I was speaking of PCs that contained business or personal information.

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" Disc based and loving it..."

Using a personal used computer for karaoke is kind of dumb IMO in the first place. One should always have a separate system for business.

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Well they did it on CB's HD. If the licensing got pulled the next time you updated it deleted the song from the HD you connected to the net. So I'm going to assume that the Cloud will do the same thing.

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