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I understand what you're saying, Lonnie. It can be a good thing if done right. The problem is with the pricing. Like I said, the use of the Cloud should be free while you are only charged on what you use per month.

For example, Let's say the monthly fee to use the Cloud service is $99 per month. KJ 1 uses it to unlock 50 songs that he didn't have while KJ 2 only needed 3 songs for that month. Do you think that's fair that KJ 2 should have to pay the same amount as KJ 1? I don't. That's why it should be based on the amount of songs you aquire for the month. That can either be done by buying credits or an account where you put in money and are only charged and your account deducted for the amount of the song track that would:
1. cost you 2.00 per song
2. let you transfer it from the cloud making it a tangable item that you now own and can put on your computer.

Than's how I would use it and I think many of us would have no problem with that. But this flat monthly fee is a rip off. What's being proposed right now, I absolutely hate it and the whole idea of it. But we will see...

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I other words, it would be like the KJMPHD, which is the route i had wanted to take, until CB went under. I would jump all over the cloud if it were set up your way. That is what I have been talking about. I want to own what I pay for, simple as that.

Bazza, if you want to BLINDLY jump into the Cloud, have at it, just realize that many of us do not want that type of system. And from what it seems like the MAJORITY of KJs that have commented on this topic don't want it. Hopefully DT and the rest of the mfr community take our wishes into consideration.

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If I were a new KJ I would probably use it....as a heavily invested disc host no way unless they had a package only for new current hit releases at a reasonable cost.

Athena

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Not for $99 a month. That price would have to come WAYYYYY down.

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Never know, a NEW kj might feel it's worth it.

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Maybe, but this one doesn't think it's worth it.

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Yeah but if we rent the same type of car or whatever and I use it say about half the time you use it, why should I have to pay the same as you, I should pay half.

Like I said before, those with a good library, this is probably not for you. For those starting out, it is a good deal as they would have to outlay a lot more money to buy. Even in the poll most hosts pay anywhere between $50-100 a month for new music.

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But they get to keep the music. That is the difference. I am one who likes to get something tangible for my money. The only thing I don't mind renting is my beer, since you never really own it.

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So fine, you're a buyer not a renter. This is not for you, nor is it for me. But I will not chastise someone for making something like this as their choice. They make the choice knowing they will own nothing at the end, just like a lease for an apartment, car, etc. It is no surprise, it is not illegal, it is not immoral, it is a choice.

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HOLD THE PHONE.

You are changing your tune? You said "I DONT WANT IT". "NOT EVEN FOR $5.00". You are against the entire concept remember?

I have said since POST #1, it's all about the price, not the technology.



Two people subscribe to HBO. One watches it 24/7. the other just watches on Saturday night. Is it FAIR that both have to pay the same amount?

Alan, it's comments like these that tell me you are confusing technologies/products/offerings. There is no "unlocking". You are subscribing to a set of music, that is all. A set of music and any new cuts that come along. You either subscribe, or you don't.



Who is jumping into anything? I have said since post #1, if the price is right its a no brainer. At the rumored price it's a sure death sentence.



From what I have seen the MAJORITY of KJ's that have commented do not even understand what they are commenting on. It's a lynch mob against the perceived cloud witch.



EXACTLY. What I have been saying all along.

Smooth...would you pay $19.99 for 60,000 base songs and EVERY NEW RELEASE that is made in the future by the multiple manus rumored to be in on this? I would...in a heartbeat! $200? $99? No way.

For the seventh time: It's not about the technology, it's all about the price.



And like I have said ad nauseum, if it makes you feel better to own that tangible song instead of simply using it whenever you like for less, that is your prerogative. But's it based in emotion, not business sense.

Bazza, my little friend, you have so much to learn.

Let me make it perfectly clear to you about my feelings regarding the cloud. Are you ready, little Bazza? OK then. I feel that the use of the Cloud should be free of charge. You should only be charged on the amount of songs that you "rent" for the month. And there should be NO subscription fee. And once you pay for a song, it should now belong to you. If that is the case, then I'm in, otherwise...I don't need it, I don't want it. Base it on Amazon's model and I'm in. And yes, I like to own what I buy. NO, I don't rent from Netflix, I buy all of my blu-ray's and have a nice library, that I own.

Poor little Bazza, he's just so happy about the Cloud technology. I bet you dream about it every night. It's OK. We understand. We want you to be happy.

And so, my little Bazza friend. I hope I was able to shed some light on this situation. I know you are perfectly fine with just "borrowing" or "renting" something with nothing to show for your dollars. And that's fine for you. But many are not fine with that. Can you find it in your heart to accept and understand the people that don't think like you. Hmmm???

And so, my little Bazza, I wish the Cloud is everything you hoped it would be. I for one, have set my criteria, which I hope I explained well enough to you.

Right now, my poor little Bazza, all we can do now is take a wait and see attitude. But keep one thing in mind. We don't need the Cloud. None of us do. We can successfully operate without it.

So, my Bazza friend, I wish you the best. I hope the Cloud fulfills your hopes and dreams. I hope you can love it, nurture it, be proud of it, and grow old with it.

So, my little Bazza...good luck to you. May all your dreams come true

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I think I need to start wearing my boots in here.

See, you want alot of songs for cheap, this would definitely get you going enough to be able to start buying your discs that you so badly want to own and quit doing the monthly subscription when you feel you have enough music to compete with the 60,000 tracks.

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Wow. What an incredibly condescending post. I am sure you are a joy to live with.

That aside, lets proceed.



You do realize that "The Cloud" is a concept, not a product. Correct?



Unless you watch each of those movies hundreds of times each, you over-spent by a large margin. But hey, they look nice on the shelf don't they! Make a nice space for them in the basement next to the Betamax and VHS tapes. And be sure to think of me when you haul them down there.

It all makes sense now. What is being proposed IS a kind of "Netflix Karaoke". You pay a monthly fee for all you can eat, even new releases as they appear.

No wonder you hate the idea. You like your shelf of trophy's to show to your friends. I prefer the same songs to play for my patrons, with extra money in my pocket.



I work in technology, understand technology and am not terrified of new technology. Unlike so many here.



And if you want to waste your money by spending three times the price so you can put them on the trophy shelf next to your soon-to-be-antique Blue Ray discs, go for it!

I'd rather pocket the money and have access to the same music.



Can you? Something tells me you cannot.



You have explained that you fear change and are set in your ways. Got it.



"We don't need the steam engine. Our horses work just fine. We don't want it. None of us do. We can successfully operate without it."

I guarantee those words were spoken by MANY back in the day.

SO. Which is it? First you say you don't want it at any price, NOT even $5.00. Then you say "It can be a good thing if done right. The problem is with the pricing." Then it has to fit into your narrow definition of what a cloud service is. Make up your mind would you?



Notice I went through your entire post without responding to any of your elementary schoolyard tactics?
This is how adults behave. You should try it sometime!

...and we're four days into the poll. At this point in time, two thirds say they would not use the Cloud while the other third says they would. So far, the consensus is against the Cloud. 68% will NOT use it. Of course that can change as time goes on.

Next, let's talk about the Cloud's data base of songs. 60,000 songs keep getting thrown around. But the reality is, they are not 60,000 unique songs. They will consist of duplicates and triplicates. There is not one manufacturer (SC, CB, etc.) that has a library of 60,000 songs. So, this song amount is made up of several manufacturers data bases, some of which may not be very desirable at all. So, the reality is, you may have access to 12,000 unique songs, NOT 60,000.

Bazza, are you listening?

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Bazza, my friend... I have the utmost respect for you as I do anyone else posting on this forum. We may not always see eye to eye but everyone is entitled to their opinion. I can respect that. Just having a little fun at your expense. I hope you have a sense of humor. Sometimes I act like I'm still in elementary school.

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Your "poll" is severely flawed and premature.

You make no reference to the product, the pricing, the features, anything. Just "The Cloud". Who's cloud? What Cloud? How much for this Cloud? How many songs in this Cloud?

It would be like asking KJ's in 1999 "Do you want to use THE COMPUTER?"

Wait, that's a bad example. Some people here are still living in 1999 and would probably like that poll.

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Or on the flipside, may become very desireable to those that only have one version, and get requests for different versions, now that kj can offer that. I'm sure the unique song value will be alot higher that 12K, since each manu definitely have songs that were unique to them - but yes they all do produce basic core music as well.

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Lonnie, without a doubt, you are the voice of reason!

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