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doowhatchulike
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HarringtonLaw, is SC's issue with joining Karaoke Cloud Pro a legal one? And, if so, what would that be?
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timberlea
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And if you noticed in the RIAA exerpt, they clearly say NOT FOR COMMERCIAL USE, PRIVATE USE ONLY.
The only way the Cloud would be useful to stop piracy would be to force everybody to use it and that's not going to happen. Why pay for the Cloud when pirated material is obtainable.
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kjathena
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from my standpoint :why play from the cloud when there is obtainable LEGAL music to play from?
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Lonman
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Smoothedge69 wrote: kjathena wrote: how would SC participating in "the cloud" be any type of resolution? there would still be all the non- 1-1 hosts using unauthorized copies of the tracks. And if I am not misunderstanding something only currently licensed tracks could be used on the cloud so tracks would disappear if/when licensing was not renewed. On a physical media (IE...CDG's) the licensing does not expire on the media although there may be limits of the number of discs allowed to be produced....on a non-physical media such as the cloud limits would be extremely difficult if not impossible. Maybe if the cloud works out, the mfrs will get the incentive to keep up with paying for licensing to the publishers, rather than letting licenses go. It isn't always up to the manus to renew, publishers/artists have the right to pull their grant for any reason and have in the past. _________________ LIKE Lonman on Facebook - Lonman Productions Karaoke & my main site via my profile!
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Lonman
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Micky wrote: PS. Note that it says "copying CD's" so a CDG is a cd, right? CD's are typically audio only. CDG's are an audio/visual work - I believe they fall into it's own catagory & have different rules. _________________ LIKE Lonman on Facebook - Lonman Productions Karaoke & my main site via my profile!
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doowhatchulike
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kjathena wrote: from my standpoint :why play from the cloud when there is obtainable LEGAL music to play from? This is not about "standpoint"... I don't want to know about an individuals view from their position; I believe facts of the matter I am questioning is what I am seeking...and only from those who can factually give it...
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doowhatchulike
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Lonman wrote: Smoothedge69 wrote: kjathena wrote: how would SC participating in "the cloud" be any type of resolution? there would still be all the non- 1-1 hosts using unauthorized copies of the tracks. And if I am not misunderstanding something only currently licensed tracks could be used on the cloud so tracks would disappear if/when licensing was not renewed. On a physical media (IE...CDG's) the licensing does not expire on the media although there may be limits of the number of discs allowed to be produced....on a non-physical media such as the cloud limits would be extremely difficult if not impossible. Maybe if the cloud works out, the mfrs will get the incentive to keep up with paying for licensing to the publishers, rather than letting licenses go. It isn't always up to the manus to renew, publishers/artists have the right to pull their grant for any reason and have in the past. It would seem that if a Manu has paid for the rights as they should, and have done nothing to violate the agreement, the publishers shouldn't pull them, right? I could never imagine a Manu doing violating either point (insert sarcastic snicker here)... I certainly would want to know how long the Karaoke Cloud Pro would have a particular manu's tracks under contract... This is the area that I think will cause the most issues: TRANSPARANCY MUST WORK B O T H WAYS!
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kjathena
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doowhatchulike wrote: kjathena wrote: from my standpoint :why play from the cloud when there is obtainable LEGAL music to play from? This is not about "standpoint"... I don't want to know about an individuals view from their position; I believe facts of the matter I am questioning is what I am seeking...and only from those who can factually give it... I was responding to timberlea's comment prior to mine.....sorry you missed that...and it was factual 
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doowhatchulike
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kjathena wrote: doowhatchulike wrote: kjathena wrote: from my standpoint :why play from the cloud when there is obtainable LEGAL music to play from? This is not about "standpoint"... I don't want to know about an individuals view from their position; I believe facts of the matter I am questioning is what I am seeking...and only from those who can factually give it... I was responding to timberlea's comment prior to mine.....sorry you missed that...and it was factual Suggestion: probably a good idea to utilize the QUOTE feature to avoid misunderstandings, or at least minimize them  Either way, it is not factual to compare anything to something that doesn't even exist yet...and throwing the word "legal" around can be a bit dangerous as well...
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kjathena
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boy I can't win...I use the quote feature and people *****(suggest I use it)...I don't use the quote feature and other people *****(suggest I dont use it)...Oh well guess you can't please everybody 
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doowhatchulike
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For the record, when I make a suggestion, one should not interpret it as griping...that assessment was not fair at all...
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JimHarrington
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doowhatchulike wrote: HarringtonLaw, is SC's issue with joining Karaoke Cloud Pro a legal one? And, if so, what would that be? I think it would be inappropriate for me to comment on ongoing business discussions between clients, even on matters in which I don't represent either of them.
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doowhatchulike
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. .which is why I specifically asked if it was a LEGAL issue...
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Lonman
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doowhatchulike wrote: It would seem that if a Manu has paid for the rights as they should, and have done nothing to violate the agreement, the publishers shouldn't pull them, right? I could never imagine a Manu doing violating either point (insert sarcastic snicker here)...
It isn't necessarily something a manu did. One instance a few years back had to do with an artists songs being in a soundtrack of a new movie & they pulled karaoke rights from all manus. Alanis Morissette was one that supposedly pulled the tracks herself after she 'found a better place in her life'. Garth supposedly also recanted all licensing. As did many others. This was stated by BC - studio manager of SC at the time, but had no reason NOT to believe it he always pretty much told it as it was. _________________ LIKE Lonman on Facebook - Lonman Productions Karaoke & my main site via my profile!
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JimHarrington
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doowhatchulike wrote: . .which is why I specifically asked if it was a LEGAL issue... I did not state nor imply that it was a legal issue, a business issue, a personality issue, or anything else, and you shouldn't assume that it is a legal issue. The parties are in discussions and have not reached an agreement. That's pretty much all I feel comfortable saying about it
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doowhatchulike
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...and I did not state or imply that you stated or implied anything...I only stated that I asked you about it in relation to a potential legal issue, and that is the only perspective I requested. I would never assume you know any more about it than from the legal perspective, if that...  /jk
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And HarringtonLaw stated he could not comment on it at all at this time. In the future he may or may not comment. That would be up to his client(s). The reason being your question was specific to his client(s).
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timberlea wrote: And HarringtonLaw stated he could not comment on it at all at this time. In the future he may or may not comment. That would be up to his client(s). The reason being your question was specific to his client(s). C'mon Timberlea, Harrington did NOT say "he could not comment"... He specifically said: Quote: it would be inappropriate for me to comment He knows.... he's simply avoiding it. And I don't think it really has anything to do with "joining the cloud" except for the small fact that if they did, they would then be in exact competition with the Karaoke Channel out of Canada would they not?.... whom they've sold their catalog to...
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