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There was no reason for you to get CAP. You weren't stealing PHM material.........................or were you???

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I am the ONLY SANE 1 HERE

Chris did have to get the CAP, he got sold a loaded drive before understanding the legalities so he did right.
however Chris, Stellar does not require certification to shift, they allow it for free with no audit. only SC & CB require payment and audit.

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Paradigm Karaoke, The New Standard.......Shift Happens

Makes me sad that I only have two of them. . Both are from '04. Is it worth getting the monthly updates anymore??

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I am the ONLY SANE 1 HERE

We have a whole bunch of duplicate PHM discs if you want to buy some more....we have 9 originals of some of them...Let me know if there's something you want. I'll sell them for $5 each. PM me if you want something specific.

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Birdofsong

Not unless you just want a bunch of discs sitting around doing nothing. I have been getting the PHM since CB quit selling in Oct and I think MAYBE 4 songs TOTAL from Nov to now have been used off of each months updates - i'm about to drop them completely & just go back to strictly requests again. My AllStar (new releases) and other custom discs that people ask for get more use for the PHM newer stuff. The CB tracks never seemed to have a 'ton' of fluff, alot of them got used (still do). The PHM seems to be ALL fluff just to get something out each month.

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Wasn't that the whole point of the CAP? To "make compliant" those that had acquired their library without buying discs?
Whether or not person acquiring the songs was aware that they may or may not have been legal, it still wouldn't change their status.

There really is no difference between the terms "pirate" and "illegal host" is there?

@SmoothEdge - This story is well documented in these forums. Go back to my posts from Dec 2011.

-Chris

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-Chris

I did not say that Stellar/PHM required certification to shift, but they do require permission. A CAP is imply one way to get that permission.

-Chris

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-Chris

And an e-mail is another way, and MUCH cheaper.

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I am the ONLY SANE 1 HERE

If I were tasked with writing the official definitions of "pirate" and "illegal host" as they pertain to the karaoke community, this is what I would write.

illegal host - a karaoke host that uses copies of material without owning the originals.

pirate - someone who produces and/or acquires and/or distributes unauthorized copies of original material.

I would say that with very few exceptions, most illegal hosts are also pirates. But there are many pirates out there that do not run shows.

I don't believe that a host that "media-shifts" (I am really beginning to despise that term) is an illegal host or a pirate. They are simply smart people protecting their investment and their livelihood.

-Chris

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-Chris

Email them and find out what you need to do to get permission to "media-shift".

-Chris

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-Chris

No. E-mail them a GET permission. I had e0-mailed them a couple months ago and told them about my two PHM discs and that I wanted to put them on my computer. Got a return e-mail saying that was fine, as long as I kept the original discs. Even Gretchen from CB gave me permission, via e-mail, to shift my one and only CB disc. I have gotten permission from a few brands that way. So has Athena. ONLY Sound Choice flat out refuses to give permission away. and may now PR. And as has been stated before SC is the ONLY company in ALL of music that behaves this way.

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I am the ONLY SANE 1 HERE

I don't really see a distinction between someone who uses pirated material or one who is a distribution point for pirated material.

The common denominator here is that neither own the original discs (your definition) and whether they sell or just use, they are still a pirate.

I admit that I struggle with this one. On one hand, someone who buys a hard drive, even without any knowledge of copyright laws, is accepting illegal content and thus a pirate.

When I consider though the current state of how people have grown up discovering content and the ease with which it is obtained without obvious declaration of dubious origin, I can't help but factor that in....somewhat.

It sucks but just like most things dealing with legal matters, the uneducated suffer.

I guess the question would be, how to educate the unknowing and who is responsible for getting the word out.

-Chris

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-Chris

[quote=Chrisavis]I guess the question would be, how to educate the unknowing and who is responsible for getting the word out.[/quote]

that is the big question. as it stands, it seems the only ones educating and getting the word out are a few kj's handing out Safe Harbor packets, and SC telling a few lucky individuals when they sue them. other than that, there is not anything i have seen being done.

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Paradigm Karaoke, The New Standard.......Shift Happens

Not to mention just about every forum that has anything to do with karaoke. It's no different than general law. It is up to the individual to find out the laws in your area, whether it be your local by-laws (parking laws, etc), to criminal to civil laws. There are a lot of people out there who say to a court "I didn't know this or I didn't know that", etc which does them no good. When YOU go into ANY business, it is YOUR responsiblilty to learn what is required, what licences (if any), or certifications that you need.

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You can be strange but not a stranger

This is funny...

Licenses are usually issued by government authorities when they relate to your or the publics safety;
you are "licensed" to drive an automobile
you are "licensed" to carry a concealed weapon
you are "licensed" to operate an airplane

You can also be licensed by private entities/rights holders:
you are "licensed" to use a trademark
you are "licensed" to use a secret formula/ingredient
you are "licensed" to use a copyright
you are "licensed" to drive a forklift at your WalMart job

All well and good.

"Certification" on the other hand, usually means proficient in a skill as acquired through education, testing and experience - not just a proof-of-purchase seal.

My opinion is that Sound Choices' use of the word "certification" is about as misleading as can be and is akin to calling a janitor a "sanitary engineer" as though the title alone will add some additional skill and competency.

It's no different than a certified Ford (or any other company) part made by another company.

I know many mechanics certified by Ford or Nissan or other manufacturers, even though they do not work for any of those companies.

But please do some more hair splitting.

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You can be strange but not a stranger

I'm not splitting hairs at all. but it's pretty obvious that you either do not understand the premise of certification, or you're simply ignoring it on purpose, because your two examples above prove my point exactly. Thanks.

A part manufactured by a third company that is "certified by Ford Motor Company." Means that that part has been made to the exacting standards set forth by Ford Motor Company. It is by no means a proof of purchase seal.

Mechanics that are certified by Ford or Nissan: Even though they do not work for those companies, they did not simply purchase the certification to hang on the wall. They actually had to go to class and learn about the parts/engines/vehicles that they are repairing. This required at least some education, and possibly practical experience.

Using this "sound choice model" of certification, I should be able to simply purchase a gun and carry it concealed where ever I want to go. Then, I can simply show my sales receipt as proof that I am "certified" to carry it.

I know what Chip is saying. I can give you an example. I was a Certified Pool Operator. I went and took a two day course, got educated on the chemical analysis and adjustment of pool water. I was also educated on poolside safety, back washing techniques, along with various other areas of pool care. When I was done with the course I was tested on my knowledge. Being that I passed the test I was AWARDED certification as a pool operator, and registered with the county.

SC's program is more like a permission slip. They give you permission to shift their music for $150. THAT is NOT a certification. They just want to make it fancy sounding, and make it sound more important than it is.

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